Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buy Back

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griffin86 said:
You will get pennies on the dollar. If you take them to a buyback event to get appraised, they won’t let you leave with them if you don’t like their offer.
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The most evil part of it all.
Too bad everyone sold their NRs to Mike already
 
They mentioned yesterday that they will allocate 250mill for the buyback. Far short of even their own original 600 million estimate.
 
captainamazing said:
I like how you used actual examples of Liberal hypocrisy to counter that ridiculous argument. RK99 should know that if Canada vanished from the face of the planet it would not affect the CO2 emissions by any appreciable margin. As long as China and India continue to do what they do nothing we do, other than boycotting their cheap garbage, will make a sliver of difference to Global pollution.
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Well not 100% true it won't make a difference and how was it here 20, 30, 40 years ago? The Chinese got cities build that are truly net zero and catch up fast, don't forget, if they want to do something, there isn't all that Corporate Business Bull we have, they just say how its going to be and done. I don't know if its going to be tomorrow or next year (no seriously) but in a few years they going to surpass us and also don't forget how bad we would be with 1.8 Bio people. And the worst argument is to do nothing because the others aren't either?? Useless argument. I am not saying Carbon Tax is good or bad, or we cause climate change (although we for sure speed it up, that just an undeniable fact because we just don't understand everything we do), but we do need to do what we can to make the world better tomorrow than today in various environmental areas (garbage, recycling etc there is a lot we can still do we are not even close of being a good society with our waste and pollution).

But lets leave that, its a firearms forum. Lets hope that maniac JT won't get re-elected. But we ALL have to do our part. Help the Candidates in our riding, make friends, families, colleagues aware of issues. If just our own issues having property confiscated is enough to sway some that see the issues with it, I don't know, lets hope it is.
 
McGral said:
Depends on your riding


Wouldn't matter in mine, Cons are ####ed either way (40% Lib, 24 NDP, 22% CON)
http://338canada.com

I'll be going Con, but any choice I do won't matter, Libs are getting this seat.
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Yes please do vote, cause until all votes are in you never know what it will be, just because Polls or last election you can't assume its going to be the same this time.
 
kodiakjack said:
Well... here’s the thing:

We all know Trudeau made this announcement as a diversion from his scandals, right? We can agree on that? Commentators from both sides of the fence have said as much. In the midst of his scandals, he threw a big “hey look over here” hand grenade into the room.

So with EVERY action we take, we need to ask ourselves: “Are we playing right into his hands?”

What kind of effect will marching in the streets have on the election? Because for the next 4 weeks, the election is all that matters. Ousting Trudeau is plan A. And plans B through Z have to be carefully weighed to ensure they won’t interfere with plan A.

Any action like a march (in my opinion) is going to be heavily painted by the media. It’s going to be framed as “those alt-right, gun lovin’ conservatives with their cold, dead hands. This is where a blue vote will take you folks: Rednecks marching in the street! Trump 2.0! Republicans! Ford! Scary scary. And look over here, more free stuff from the liberals!”

If the election is all that matters for the next 4 weeks, I just can’t see how any public display, where the media will be our voice is going to help move votes in our direction. And we need a LOT of votes moved in our direction.

The only votes we’re going to pick up by focusing on the gun ban, is gun owners. Anything beyond that will be spun against us, and used against us. Gun owners marching in the street will be used by the liberals to unify the left to prevent a conservative win.

Because when that reporter walks into the march to get comments, who’s comments do you think they’re gonna play on the 6 O’clock news? Yours? Or this guy’s:





Let’s not be the tools of the liberal party. Don’t play us right into his hands. Focus on the issues that will move votes. And in this case, it’s scandal, hypocrisy, elitism, and all the other dirty deeds he’s been up to.


My $0.02.



We can look at the other stuff on the 22nd.
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Wow, you are probably right, but that is a bad sign of state of our society if we have to think like this. It is only because we have no real voice other than once every 4 years to vote for our ruler that we might not agree with for some or most but possibly on 1 or 2 topics.

That actually leads me to a question. I am originally from a small European country (my forum name says which). If something like this would happen we could either start an initiative or referendum, which ever applies to the situation, but the people could force a vote on the topic and not let the Gov make that decision just on their own, cause if not asking the people you don't know what the really want. Do we even have such instruments here?
 
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JeffMan said:
....As a cop, I know mostly cops that own AR’s and handguns - they’re all concerned about the gun grab too.

I have more to lose than most, my livelihood. Keeping a prohibited firearm, and getting charged for it, will mean a possible weapons prohib. and then I can’t work because I can’t posses my duty handgun.

The only option for me is to see Trudeau defeated. If he wins, I’ll do as I’m told and I’ll give up my guns, unless I have legal recourse.

I will not participate in a gun grab tho. That I will not do.

The position of the Association of the Chiefs of Police is clear - this won’t slow gun crime. It’s also my position.
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According to the CPA, it represents over 60,000 members. Is it safe to say these are all potential votes for the CPC?
 
swissey said:
Yes please do vote, cause until all votes are in you never know what it will be, just because Polls or last election you can't assume its going to be the same this time.
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Don't forget how wrong the polls were about Trump. How much chance did they give him? They can be wrong, and it seems more recently they are getting it wrong.
 
I was talking to someone who works in a CFO's office and the planning is already underway on the confiscation. If they win expect a swift OIC to immediately suspend all sales to prevent hording and all ATT's to be cancelled for affected firearm, so there will no utilization of these firearms up until the deadline of the ban in the interest of public safety. There is no planned buyback for accessories such as magazines or scopes like what happened in NZ. Firearms registered as complete rifles will be expected to be turned in whole. People will be contacted with certain timings with the expectation to surrender firearms where the firearms will be assessed against a "blue book" where most AR's and prohib for the interest of simplicity will be treated alike, so a run of the mill AR will be treated the same as a Knights Armanent and a Chinese SKS will be the same as a Yugo. I honestly hope this is not true but the feeling i'm getting is the two year period is to work out all the possible details and make it swift and without incident.
 
JeffMan said:
Option a) will see you charged with Mischief and still put you in possession of a prohibited weapon. - don’t do it.

Option b). Police will be subject to the exact same gun grab that everyone else is, for personally owned firearms. As a cop, I know mostly cops that own AR’s and handguns - they’re all concerned about the gun grab too.

I have more to lose than most, my livelihood. Keeping a prohibited firearm, and getting charged for it, will mean a possible weapons prohib. and then I can’t work because I can’t posses my duty handgun.

The only option for me is to see Trudeau defeated. If he wins, I’ll do as I’m told and I’ll give up my guns, unless I have legal recourse.

I will not participate in a gun grab tho. That I will not do.

The position of the Association of the Chiefs of Police is clear - this won’t slow gun crime. It’s also my position.
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If you're really a LEO I hope youre speaking to your colleagues and superiors daily and whole-heartedly about how poor an idea this policy is.
 
This conversation should have been had at least a year ago and now we are scrambling. Correct me if I'm mistaken, didn't some firearms vendors and advocacy group had meetings with Blair? And no body wanted to comment what was said during the meeting like it was some secret squirrel convention?
 
HotSoup said:
If you're really a LEO I hope youre speaking to your colleagues and superiors daily and whole-heartedly about how poor an idea this policy is.
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You will not participate in a gun grab? Really? You are saying that you are going to disobey a lawful order from your superior and risk losing your job?
 
Navy Gunner said:
I was talking to someone who works in a CFO's office and the planning is already underway on the confiscation. If they win expect a swift OIC to immediately suspend all sales to prevent hording and all ATT's to be cancelled for affected firearm, so there will no utilization of these firearms up until the deadline of the ban in the interest of public safety. There is no planned buyback for accessories such as magazines or scopes like what happened in NZ. Firearms registered as complete rifles will be expected to be turned in whole. People will be contacted with certain timings with the expectation to surrender firearms where the firearms will be assessed against a "blue book" where most AR's and prohib for the interest of simplicity will be treated alike, so a run of the mill AR will be treated the same as a Knights Armanent and a Chinese SKS will be the same as a Yugo. I honestly hope this is not true but the feeling i'm getting is the two year period is to work out all the possible details and make it swift and without incident.
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Gonna need a better source than "dude trust me" on this one chief. I'm not convinced.
 
Restricted and registered VS. Non-res and not registered.
Two different scenarios.
With bans, owners of one class will comply. The other class, perhaps not so much.
Can you imagine the rate of compliance if they banned the SKS? Or a $2,000+ Tavor? Or a $3,000+ Modern Varmint? Especially when the Libs would likely offer peanuts for them?
Look to the compliance rate with already-possessed firearms and the LGR.
If the Libs win, then this program will be another Justin-Lib boondoggle.
 
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