Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buy Back

[rifleman762]

What about:
4(1): (d) any modification that results in the firearm ceasing to be a firearm.?

My interpretation is that applies to DEWAT or destruction of a firearm. A disassembled firearm is still a firearm, as defined by the same law. If you chop the receiver into small pieces you are required to inform the overlords. I suppose if you really wanted to push your luck, you could melt some aluminum into an ingot and claim it was your AR receiver. I mean, you could help the government and make them happy by casting an ingot from your receiver.

 

[CoonT]

Think how many members here, I mean really, not just vocally on the net, would risk their own and their kids' livelihood to keep the possibly banned firearms. Many if not most are not in position to risk having a criminal record, despite loud declarations to the contrary. There is your answer.

It's not just a few select firearms, as the lib's would have us all believe- it's all of them.


The government wants to be able to tear gas us and water cannon us, when we start to protest how badly they start to steal from us and trample our rights. Like this:

and this:

They can't do this to us while we are all holding AR15s (and therefore can't steal from us and trample our rights the way they really want to. You think it's bad for us now?? IMo, we ain't seen nothin yet!). *Just a note in case you didn't notice (and I know you know this ), those protesters weren't armed with anything more substantial than pieces of bricks and umbrellas!!


I am not keeping my guns to save my stupid construction job or credit score; I am keeping my guns to hold the line, so my kid's future doesn't play out like a bad Netflix movie.


That's the thing about "holding the line" though, it only works if we all do it. Anybody who runs from this fight here now, had better keep running because the gun grabbers never stop pushing.


Guys that hand in their guns had better invest in a decent pair of running shoes and join 'Canadian Run Nutz' because running is now their new hobby.

Good morning

 

[VinnyQC]

If the protesters in Hong-Kong were all holding an AR15, the next picture would be of hundreds, if not thousands of dead protesters under a bunch of Chinese tanks. Hong-Kong would be turned into a pile of dust with minimal losses to the Chinese army.

 

[CoonT]

If the protesters in Hong-Kong were all holding an AR15, the next picture would be of hundreds, if not thousands of dead protesters under a bunch of Chinese tanks. Hong-Kong would be turned into a pile of dust with minimal losses to the Chinese army.

An armed citizenry prevents this sort of showdown from ever happening in the first place.

 

[personaguru]

You have a God given right, nay i say, obligation, to protect yourself, to protect your family and your possessions and to defend those who cannot defend themselves.

Rise up.

aman brother right's are god given its the government's job to protect are right's the evil governments are gonna try using romans 13 but only read out of context in the end of it all im not gonna be answering to the government but to the king of kings and no mans law trump his law

 

[JeffMan]

how many of them would refuse to enforce a law to kick in a door and confiscate guns from "criminal by pen stroke" gun owners? how many would be willing to go from police officer to unemployed because of their strong beliefs? its a serious question, im not being argumentative, i don't know any cops so ive always wondered how many would stand up to their superiors and the government vs how many would justify it all away to keep the pension

I suspect many will refuse to enforce the ban - remember that the registry compliance was low and nothing came of it.

I won’t lose my job over it as I will give my firearms up if there isn’t any legal recourse remaining for me. I’ve got too many kids to feed, and I can likely do more good as a cop; convincing people who might listen that this is wrong and that law abiding people can be trusted.

Some of the resistance talk on here plays into the anti gun crowds wringing hands. We’re aren’t violent people folks. Knock it off!

Kicking doors is a lot work and VERY expensive. It requires a lot of planning, reporting, and warrants that are difficult to get for ACTUAL crime houses. I’ve never tried to get a warrant to enter a home to confiscate legally obtained property from a normal person - I don’t even know what that’ll look like, or what judge would grant a warrant like that. Then what cop is going to do it? Not me!

Also, quite frankly my jurisdiction is stretched so thin that we’re only targeting really bad criminals. Going after law abiding people will require a substantial funding increase that we’ve been told just isn’t there. It’ll also divert resources away from actual crime - not that the government cares about turning a blind eye on crime. They’ve asked us to do it with safe injection camps and crime has sky rocketed in those areas as a result.

Executing a search warrant is also dangerous work, you’ll have armed people going into armed homes - everyone could be the nicest folks in the world but forget a safety precaution and someone could get hurt. Someone getting hurt will bring any such future operations to a screeching halt until an inquiry is complete.

Our budget means our cars, duty gear, EVERYTHING has to last longer. There just isn’t any money to do this.

Blair is an ex cop, that’s confounding as he doesn’t seem understand gun crime. Albeit he strikes me as the kinda cop that would pull over soccer moms going 10k over the limit and throw the book at them, while crack heads stole her hubcaps. There are cops like that - I suspect he’s the man for that job.

 

[CoonT]

The left would like nothing better than for us to end up on the wrong side of the law. We are in the right (for the time being, at least) and it's imperative that we stay there.

Anyways, I think that Antifa and their eco-fascist allies will be the only ones engaging in violent protests. Imo, I don't think gun guys are too interested in any sort of confrontation or kumbaya cryfest.

Stay righteous. Don't ever quit. We'll be fine.

 

[JeffMan]

The left would like nothing better than for us to end up on the wrong side of the law. We are in the right (for the time being, at least) and it's imperative that we stay there.

Anyways, I think that Antifa and their eco-fascist allies will be the only ones engaging in violent protests. Imo, I don't think gun guys are too interested in any sort of confrontation or kumbaya cryfest.

Stay righteous. Don't ever quit. We'll be fine.

Darn right!

Buy a cop a coffee and chat him up about real crime in his area. Or better yet just chat him up in line for his coffee at Tim’s - it’s likely free anyways. Thanks Tim’s!

It’s human nature to support those who support you.

Be friendly and be normal.

 

[NeonGreen]

I suspect many will refuse to enforce the ban - remember that the registry compliance was low and nothing came of it.

I won’t lose my job over it as I will give my firearms up if there isn’t any legal recourse remaining for me. I’ve got too many kids to feed, and I can likely do more good as a cop; convincing people who might listen that this is wrong and that law abiding people can be trusted.

Some of the resistance talk on here plays into the anti gun crowds wringing hands. We’re aren’t violent people folks. Knock it off!

Kicking doors is a lot work and VERY expensive. It requires a lot of planning, reporting, and warrants that are difficult to get for ACTUAL crime houses. I’ve never tried to get a warrant to enter a home to confiscate legally obtained property from a normal person - I don’t even know what that’ll look like, or what judge would grant a warrant like that. Then what cop is going to do it? Not me!

Also, quite frankly my jurisdiction is stretched so thin that we’re only targeting really bad criminals. Going after law abiding people will require a substantial funding increase that we’ve been told just isn’t there. It’ll also divert resources away from actual crime - not that the government cares about turning a blind eye on crime. They’ve asked us to do it with safe injection camps and crime has sky rocketed in those areas as a result.

Executing a search warrant is also dangerous work, you’ll have armed people going into armed homes - everyone could be the nicest folks in the world but forget a safety precaution and someone could get hurt. Someone getting hurt will bring any such future operations to a screeching halt until an inquiry is complete.

Our budget means our cars, duty gear, EVERYTHING has to last longer. There just isn’t any money to do this.

Blair is an ex cop, that’s confounding as he doesn’t seem understand gun crime. Albeit he strikes me as the kinda cop that would pull over soccer moms going 10k over the limit and throw the book at them, while crack heads stole her hubcaps. There are cops like that - I suspect he’s the man for that job.

thank you for your reply, its not often i get to hear things from an officers perspective

 

[VinnyQC]

An armed citizenry prevents this sort of showdown from ever happening in the first place.

Nope, it doesn't.

At this time, China's best bet is to plant someone with a gun in the crowd of protesters and shoot a live round at the cops. Have the army step in the next day to "prevent violence". There you, protest is squashed.

 

[DanRR]

Nope, it doesn't.

At this time, China's best bet is to plant someone with a gun in the crowd of protesters and shoot a live round at the cops. Have the army step in the next day to "prevent violence". There you, protest is squashed.

And you can be sure that isolated poor soul will be at once spotted by TV crews.

 

[VinnyQC]

I suspect many will refuse to enforce the ban - remember that the registry compliance was low and nothing came of it.

I won’t lose my job over it as I will give my firearms up if there isn’t any legal recourse remaining for me. I’ve got too many kids to feed, and I can likely do more good as a cop; convincing people who might listen that this is wrong and that law abiding people can be trusted.

Some of the resistance talk on here plays into the anti gun crowds wringing hands. We’re aren’t violent people folks. Knock it off!

Kicking doors is a lot work and VERY expensive. It requires a lot of planning, reporting, and warrants that are difficult to get for ACTUAL crime houses. I’ve never tried to get a warrant to enter a home to confiscate legally obtained property from a normal person - I don’t even know what that’ll look like, or what judge would grant a warrant like that. Then what cop is going to do it? Not me!

Also, quite frankly my jurisdiction is stretched so thin that we’re only targeting really bad criminals. Going after law abiding people will require a substantial funding increase that we’ve been told just isn’t there. It’ll also divert resources away from actual crime - not that the government cares about turning a blind eye on crime. They’ve asked us to do it with safe injection camps and crime has sky rocketed in those areas as a result.

Executing a search warrant is also dangerous work, you’ll have armed people going into armed homes - everyone could be the nicest folks in the world but forget a safety precaution and someone could get hurt. Someone getting hurt will bring any such future operations to a screeching halt until an inquiry is complete.

Our budget means our cars, duty gear, EVERYTHING has to last longer. There just isn’t any money to do this.

Blair is an ex cop, that’s confounding as he doesn’t seem understand gun crime. Albeit he strikes me as the kinda cop that would pull over soccer moms going 10k over the limit and throw the book at them, while crack heads stole her hubcaps. There are cops like that - I suspect he’s the man for that job.

I'm not sure who came up with the "they're gonna knock at your door" thing. It's stupid at its stupidest. Must be the same people who are afraid of being invaded by the UN army (hint for the tinfoil-hat-wearing peoples: that doesn't exist).

Banning every firearm is much more simple and less costly than knocking on anyone's door. All the government has to say is "it's prohibited". No more ATT, no more hunting with it, no way to transport it or go anywhere with it legally. Congratulation, you can't shoot your brand new Stag10/ATRS/BCL102/mini14 anywhere, it's now about as useful as a dewat.

Think you'd say "screw it" and still hunt with it? Yeaaaaah, no you won't. You haven't been hunting with handguns, you haven't unpinned your magz, you haven't modified a rifle to full auto, etc... In other words, you've always kept up with the crazy rulebook known as the firearms act, you're gonna keep doing it, except with a prohibited-gun-shaped brick stored in your safe. Maybe. The bravado is funny to hear, somewhat funny to imagine, but it's still only bravado on an internet forum, nothing more.

 

[CoonT]

An armed citizenry is not the same thing, as air dropping a crowd of citizens some skids of AR15s.

An armed citizenry has the culture, mentality and expectations, to go along with their guns.

Nope, it doesn't.

At this time, China's best bet is to plant someone with a gun in the crowd of protesters and shoot a live round at the cops. Have the army step in the next day to "prevent violence". There you, protest is squashed.

 

[CoonT]

An armed citizenry is not the same thing, as air dropping a crowd of citizens some skids of AR15s.

An armed citizenry has the culture, mentality and expectations, to go along with their guns.

If the state wants to physically take our guns, they must disarm us first. Get it?

 

[VinnyQC]

And you can be sure that isolated poor soul will be at once spotted by TV crews.

Wait, you think China's state owned and controlled tv will show anything the regime doesn't want them to show? FFS, when cops infiltrate protests to throw rocks at other cops here in Canada, they spin it well enough that people blame the "violent protesters", you really think China can't do it? Man you have more faith in Xi's honesty than I do. More than anyone in the world I think.

 

[VinnyQC]

If the state wants to physically take our guns, they must disarm us first. Get it?

That's the point, the state doesn't need to physically take anyone's gun. Just say "it's prohib" and POOF! it's gone. You might still have a barreled receiver in your hands, but it has instantly become useless and worthless.

Wanna dig a hole and hide it 6' underground? Sure, what do they care, it's useless under there.
Wanna strip all the parts and melt the receiver? Sure, what do they care, it can't shoot anything.
Wanna lock it inside a safe and never have it leave that safe? Sure, what do they care, it can't shoot in a safe.

See a pattern there? No? Then ask the people who have 12(5) firearms how much they like shooting their AKs. Yeah they can't. And they don't. They might as well just be dewat at this point.

 

[NeonGreen]

That's the point, the state doesn't need to physically take anyone's gun. Just say "it's prohib" and POOF! it's gone. You might still have a barreled receiver in your hands, but it has instantly become useless and worthless.

Wanna dig a hole and hide it 6' underground? Sure, what do they care, it's useless under there.
Wanna strip all the parts and melt the receiver? Sure, what do they care, it can't shoot anything.
Wanna lock it inside a safe and never have it leave that safe? Sure, what do they care, it can't shoot in a safe.

See a pattern there? No? Then ask the people who have 12(5) firearms how much they like shooting their AKs. Yeah they can't. And they don't. They might as well just be dewat at this point.

so what do you propose? in the opinion of VinnyQC what is the best course of action the Canadian gun owner can take?

 

[extrasauce]

I suspect many will refuse to enforce the ban - remember that the registry compliance was low and nothing came of it.

I won’t lose my job over it as I will give my firearms up if there isn’t any legal recourse remaining for me. I’ve got too many kids to feed, and I can likely do more good as a cop; convincing people who might listen that this is wrong and that law abiding people can be trusted.

Some of the resistance talk on here plays into the anti gun crowds wringing hands. We’re aren’t violent people folks. Knock it off!

Kicking doors is a lot work and VERY expensive. It requires a lot of planning, reporting, and warrants that are difficult to get for ACTUAL crime houses. I’ve never tried to get a warrant to enter a home to confiscate legally obtained property from a normal person - I don’t even know what that’ll look like, or what judge would grant a warrant like that. Then what cop is going to do it? Not me!

Also, quite frankly my jurisdiction is stretched so thin that we’re only targeting really bad criminals. Going after law abiding people will require a substantial funding increase that we’ve been told just isn’t there. It’ll also divert resources away from actual crime - not that the government cares about turning a blind eye on crime. They’ve asked us to do it with safe injection camps and crime has sky rocketed in those areas as a result.

Executing a search warrant is also dangerous work, you’ll have armed people going into armed homes - everyone could be the nicest folks in the world but forget a safety precaution and someone could get hurt. Someone getting hurt will bring any such future operations to a screeching halt until an inquiry is complete.

Our budget means our cars, duty gear, EVERYTHING has to last longer. There just isn’t any money to do this.

Blair is an ex cop, that’s confounding as he doesn’t seem understand gun crime. Albeit he strikes me as the kinda cop that would pull over soccer moms going 10k over the limit and throw the book at them, while crack heads stole her hubcaps. There are cops like that - I suspect he’s the man for that job.

JeffMan, thank you very much for taking time to help educate from a member's perspective. You make very good points and I hope everyone here heeds them well!

 

[Firearmsking]

I have been helping my local CPC candidate canvas. In my opinion this many be the best way we can help ourselves at this time.
Also get all your friends to come and vote.

 

[Nestor]

Well they can get another job then. Also at this rate they won’t have a pension.

To be straight about this whole situation the Elites are making a strong case that only a fool follows or obeys any laws going forward in this country. The fact so many politicians get away with crimes, and no charges are ever laid is telling. The gun laws will only expand, and the bad policies of Government in general will continue too grow at the behest of shadowy figures who run the show behind the scenes.

Look at the sheeple comments by so many members here. All be seeking asylum on Mars at this rate. All the BS talk of morally standing up for trivial crap so many of you guys pump out, is all hot air. Lol.

Trumps America is looking better by the minute. Just saying.

Not 10-15 years in. Too much invested, involved and planned. 99% won't risk anything for the crowd that hates them in the first place. Let's be real here for a change.