Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buy Back

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Ok so wild idea here , lets help the Conservatives get in the majority , I say go find every Liberal sign thats been posted for the election and about 6 inches in front of it place another sign showing Trudeau in blackface , square in front of the face of the liberal candidate, just to remind undecided voters of the maturity level of the liberal leadership .
 
JeffMan said:
Kicking doors is a lot work and VERY expensive. It requires a lot of planning, reporting, and warrants that are difficult to get for ACTUAL crime houses. I’ve never tried to get a warrant to enter a home to confiscate legally obtained property from a normal person - I don’t even know what that’ll look like, or what judge would grant a warrant like that. Then what cop is going to do it? Not me!

Executing a search warrant is also dangerous work, you’ll have armed people going into armed homes - everyone could be the nicest folks in the world but forget a safety precaution and someone could get hurt. Someone getting hurt will bring any such future operations to a screeching halt until an inquiry is complete.
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This is the absolute truth. While it’s a given that each RPAL holder only got one based on lack of violent criminal past, cops don’t take risk lightly and plan to excess when time allows no matter whose home they plan to enter.

The planning cycle that goes into drafting and obtaining a search warrant and then executing it where firearms are present is huge, and this cycle has to be carried out for each and every dwelling. And as it was said the threshold for a warrant to search a home is high, as it should be. Searches like this are a big deal and not a two officer affair.

If anybody thinks that me and my partner will be handed a list of addresses in the morning to drive our ice cream truck around all day doing door knocks, I would reject that notion not only for my own personal reasons but for the sheer negligence of such piss poor lack of planning.

While non compliance is each persons individual choice, the policing resources simply don’t exist to go around “kicking in doors” on thousands of homes. That and the whole premise of obtaining the search warrant to begin with is questionable.

I heard somewhere on a news show there are 100,000 RPAL holders in the GTA alone, imagine if even half that number failed to respond to a handgun ban.
 
Police like most gov agencies, depend on funding.

This is all smoke and mirrors, the liberal platform is nothing more than empty promises:
For starters, the budget will balance itself...

If people would take the time to really read the platform, it is written for people that don't want to do any research. All their programs lack sustance, making promises on the future when they have not even accomplished 20% of their previous platform.
 
Avenida said:
Police like most gov agencies, depend on funding.

This is all smoke and mirrors, the liberal platform is nothing more than empty promises:
For starters, the budget will balance itself...

If people would take the time to really read the platform, it is written for people that don't want to do any research. All their programs lack sustance, making promises on the future when they have not even accomplished 20% of their previous platform.
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but..but...muh sunny ways :ang

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Nestor said:
Think how many members here, I mean really, not just vocally on the net, would risk their own and their kids' livelihood to keep the possibly banned firearms. Many if not most are not in position to risk having a criminal record, despite loud declarations to the contrary. There is your answer.
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So you would actually come forward and declare that you own a firearm that the government doesn't know you have? Even a family heirloom? One they couldn't prove you have?
 
JordanA said:
So you would actually come forward and declare that you own a firearm that the government doesn't know you have? Even a family heirloom? One they couldn't prove you have?
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There are two very different use cases here:
1) RPAL where gov knows what and where your stuff is. (Non compliance here is something that will be challenge for most people)
2) NR where nobody knows but you (non compliance will be much higher here)
 
JordanA said:
So you would actually come forward and declare that you own a firearm that the government doesn't know you have? Even a family heirloom? One they couldn't prove you have?
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There are some folks here, who recognize that this forum is being monitored by individuals in both law enforcement, and the media.

What a fellow nutter does with his own property is up to him, but consider that what is said here may not be for the benefit of your ears, but rather for the benefit of the ears of the other two parties above. Some folks are more about actions than words. Especially publicly accessible words.
 
Why is it so difficult to understand confiscating guns will cost very little. Anyone who thinks you need to kick in hundreds of thousands of doors is a moron.

And since when has a budget ever stopped a liberals agenda?

1. Prohibit gun
2. Order them turned in
3. If low compliance (especially restricted rifles) kick 5 doors in and plaster all over media
4. Compliance problem fixed. Everyone turns in prohibited firearms.
5. For those hanging on to none restricteds. This helps you but the gun culture still dies out with no new sales.

And yes. 99% of cops will gladly do as their masters tell them. They are cops after all......
 
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gvanzeggelaar said:
Why is it so difficult to understand confiscating guns will cost very little. Anyone who thinks you need to kick in hundreds of thousands of doors is a moron.

And since when has a budget ever stopped a liberals agenda?

1. Prohibit gun
2. Order them turned in
3. If low compliance (especially restricted rifles) kick 5 doors in and plaster all over media
4. Compliance problem exasperated. Everyone turns.
5. For those hanging on to none restricteds. This helps you and the black market thrives

And yes. 99% of cops will gladly do as their masters tell them. They are cops after all......
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Fixed it for you.
 
Knowing human nature, I cant help but think how this can only work on registered firearms, and if they throw unrestricted unregistered rifles on the ban list and are cheap on the buy back, it will only drive those guns into the black market which is what they say they are trying to fight.

I can see guys just grinding off serial numbers and the gun disappears.

The only way this will not back fire is with a generous buy back price, and they are probably too cheap and too arrogant to do that.

And when you think about it, half the insult is saying we can no longer be trusted to have what we have had for most of our lives. The other half of the insult is that they will likely rip us off in the buy back.

On the other hand, if the buy back price was high enough to make some sort of effort to compensate us financially for the insult, then it wouldn't be quite so bad.

I'n not saying I would like it, but I would hate it less.
 
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We should stop being cowards in this country and stand up for what is right. Trudeau is noting but an idiot that only cares about what he likes. Have you once heard him say " boy that I enjoy that hunting trip" of course not. You have heard him say " I do enjoy a good joint". He is only going to do what is father did in the past and ruin this country. I for one will never give up my give up my firearms, its who I am. We have had our tail between our to long in this country, and they are taking our freedom bit by bit. So everyone stand up to lying sack of manure in the next election.
 
kodiakjack said:
There are some folks here, who recognize that this forum is being monitored by individuals in both law enforcement, and the media.

What a fellow nutter does with his own property is up to him, but consider that what is said here may not be for the benefit of your ears, but rather for the benefit of the ears of the other two parties above. Some folks are more about actions than words. Especially publicly accessible words.
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I don't think there is any doubt that this forum is heavily monitored. Those few antigun groups especially, you can see how information here shifts right to their Twitter feeds.

I think every thing I've ever posted, I did with the expectation that there was some angry French lesbian at a government desk somewhere, looking it over and filing it away, haha! :)
 
JordanA said:
So you would actually come forward and declare that you own a firearm that the government doesn't know you have? Even a family heirloom? One they couldn't prove you have?
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Just be honest with the reality around you, while you're thinking about the answer. Government may do two things. Scare people into compliance or tempt them with the money. Or...use both tactics at the same time. Many households in this country are few hundred dollars away from declaring the bankruptcy. They can't and won't be able to afford any legal risk when it comes to this matter. What we don't want to recognize here is that the majority of the gun owners across the country (as much as it's frustrating to some) doesn't even know what AR15 is...
 
Sumack said:
We should stop being cowards in this country and stand up for what is right. Trudeau is noting but an idiot that only cares about what he likes. Have you once heard him say " boy that I enjoy that hunting trip" of course not. You have heard him say " I do enjoy a good joint". He is only going to do what is father did in the past and ruin this country. I for one will never give up my give up my firearms, its who I am. We have had our tail between our to long in this country, and they are taking our freedom bit by bit. So everyone stand up to lying sack of manure in the next election.
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Just remember our fathers and fore fathers put their lives on the line and fought wars for what they believed in, think about that.
 
gvanzeggelaar said:
Why is it so difficult to understand confiscating guns will cost very little. Anyone who thinks you need to kick in hundreds of thousands of doors is a moron.

And since when has a budget ever stopped a liberals agenda?

1. Prohibit gun
2. Order them turned in
3. If low compliance (especially restricted rifles) kick 5 doors in and plaster all over media
4. Compliance problem fixed. Everyone turns in prohibited firearms.
5. For those hanging on to none restricteds. This helps you but the gun culture still dies out with no new sales.

And yes. 99% of cops will gladly do as their masters tell them. They are cops after all......
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I'd like to be party to any discussions concerning getting a warrant.
 
kodiakjack said:
There are some folks here, who recognize that this forum is being monitored by individuals in both law enforcement, and the media.

What a fellow nutter does with his own property is up to him, but consider that what is said here may not be for the benefit of your ears, but rather for the benefit of the ears of the other two parties above. Some folks are more about actions than words. Especially publicly accessible words.
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Grandparents from both sides were US citizens, Mom was US citizen, so i am one generation removed from there.

I was raised on the 2nd amendment.

Got lots of relatives in Texas and they are all armed to the teeth, just sayin'



 
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