Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buy Back

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I have a similar question? If my AR and my Handguns are listed on my registration card as a complete firearm with barrel length in the descriptions, doesn’t that mean u have to turn in the whole registered item not just a serialized part???? So would it be better to strip the complete rifle then call the cfo to switch it classification to a restricted frame part so they only get the lower?

Call the Cfo for a certification amendment to a stripped receiver
 
Once the trigger is pulled on the banning no future government will take the chance and repeal it. Just as the Conservatives wouldn't restore SAP's to allow prohib to used at the range during their 10 years of power. Also keep in mind you could very well be slapped with an obstruction of justice charge by putting a lower in cement.

Just for arguments sake, is there any real law saying i have to keep my lower receiver in 'operable' condition? You may be right of course, but once I own a lower or firearm can i not do what i want with it? I dont technically ever have to shoot it to own it do i?
 
I have a similar question? If my AR and my Handguns are listed on my registration card as a complete firearm with barrel length in the descriptions, doesn’t that mean u have to turn in the whole registered item not just a serialized part???? So would it be better to strip the complete rifle then call the cfo to switch it classification to a restricted frame part so they only get the lower?

This is the question i have as well.
 
I don’t think they can do anything if you only give them a stripped reciver on turn in - it is technically less “dangerous” after all. I suspect your compensation would be significantly reduced (from what it will otherwise be). But really that is conjecture since we have no idea what the libs would do. Go CPC!
 
Once the trigger is pulled on the banning no future government will take the chance and repeal it. Just as the Conservatives wouldn't restore SAP's to allow prohib to used at the range during their 10 years of power. Also keep in mind you could very well be slapped with an obstruction of justice charge by putting a lower in cement.

I think the point here is if the Libs offer peanuts to turn in ARs then 100s or even 1000s will follow this idea. And it then becomes more of a protest that they don’t have the resources to prosecute. And I’m sure there’s a good lawyer that could get you off even if they did try to charge. “Sorry I was on my way to turn it in when I accidentally dropped it in a bucket of quick dry cement my wife mixed up to patch the driveway”
 
Just for arguments sake, is there any real law saying i have to keep my lower receiver in 'operable' condition? You may be right of course, but once I own a lower or firearm can i not do what i want with it? I dont technically ever have to shoot it to own it do i?

There is no law that says your fire arms have to be cleaned, assembled and ready to go.
Your thinking of another European country :)

Here in winnipeg an indoor range has had their logs checked by the rcmp.
Some poeple from out of town were questioned on why they had never
been to the range with their restricted.
They can call and ask but unless you give them a stupid answer, nothing they can do.
 
Why is there people here actually planning on complying?

Smh, sheep knowingly allowing themselves to be led off a cliff will result in the complete destruction of the Canadian firearms community. I’m not giving the government another inch. 50 years of harassment ends this election, whichever party wins. MOLON LABE!

Those willing to sacrifice their freedoms do not deserve them.
 
If you are required to forfeit a registered firearm, the officials who receive it will look at what you have brought in by running the FRT number, and a picture which is representative of your firearm will appear, if you have the serialized lower only you will be asked or told to produce the rest of the registered firearm as per registration certificate.

Conversely many of you have in the past purchased lowers only and built a rifle from scratch, now when the rifle was completed it should have been re-registered to identify the finished project and an FRT number would have re-classified the lower receiver only the completed firearm.
 
Why is there people here actually planning on complying?

Smh, sheep knowingly allowing themselves to be led off a cliff will result in the complete destruction of the Canadian firearms community. I’m not giving the government another inch. 50 years of harassment ends this election, whichever party wins. MOLON LABE!

Those willing to sacrifice their freedoms do not deserve them.

A tactic:

I will not comply. I will file an injunction against any order for confiscation/buyback of my property on the grounds the entity taking charge of the firearms cannot adequately safeguard them. To do so, by the government's own logic, threatens public safety.

Number of firearms lost by or stolen from public agencies since 2012 (6 years) : 800+
Number of firearms lost by or stolen from me since first getting my FAC in 1986 (33 years) : 0


I cannot in good conscience surrender my firearms to anyone who doesn't have a demonstrated track-record of safe handling/storage. Arguably to do so would be contrary to the Firearms Act, and I'm willing to test that in court.

My guns are safer with me than anywhere else. Statistics prove it. Come get 'em and get ready to explain to the Canadian public how you have managed to lose track of hundreds of handguns, SMGs, full-auto carbines, and even machine guns.
 
A tactic:

I will not comply. I will file an injunction against any order for confiscation/buyback of my property on the grounds the entity taking charge of the firearms cannot adequately safeguard them. To do so, by the government's own logic, threatens public safety.

Number of firearms lost by or stolen from public agencies since 2012 (6 years) : 800+
Number of firearms lost by or stolen from me since first getting my FAC in 1986 (33 years) : 0


I cannot in good conscience surrender my firearms to anyone who doesn't have a demonstrated track-record of safe handling/storage. Arguably to do so would be contrary to the Firearms Act, and I'm willing to test that in court.

My guns are safer with me than anywhere else. Statistics prove it. Come get 'em and get ready to explain to the Canadian public how you have managed to lose track of hundreds of handguns, SMGs, full-auto carbines, and even machine guns.
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Exactly. Someone with Balls and willing to fight. Can’t say much for a lot of the weaker members out there.
 
Does it state somewhere that you aren’t allowed to sell your parts off. Why would anyone turn in a full rifle. Regardless of what your FRT states. Prove I didn’t sell it?
 
I would not think so for the following, the Marlin model 60 is a rim fire self loading "semi auto action" no restrictions on tubular magazine capacity at this point in time.
 
If you are required to forfeit a registered firearm, the officials who receive it will look at what you have brought in by running the FRT number, and a picture which is representative of your firearm will appear, if you have the serialized lower only you will be asked or told to produce the rest of the registered firearm as per registration certificate.

Conversely many of you have in the past purchased lowers only and built a rifle from scratch, now when the rifle was completed it should have been re-registered to identify the finished project and an FRT number would have re-classified the lower receiver only the completed firearm.

yes this is true if it was registered as a rifle, but this is what I am asking.....if I disassemble my ar right now, call the cfo today and tell him I just sold all my parts - it will be "reclassified" as a lower only. in the event a confiscation happens down the road, I will take whatever legal means available to retain my lower but failing that - they will have to pick up my pail of cement and take it back and check the serial and registration and it will say a registered lower and thats what they have, it will not say a fully functional rifle so they will not ask me to produce the rest of the parts.

I am not willingly complying, nor will I simply drive my lower in and drop it off at the request of "letter in the mail"...I will exhaust every legal option available to me....and when thats done and I am left with a potential criminal record or letting them pick up a pail of cement....well, I'll make that decision at the 11th hour. maybe I wont hand it over at all....but if I do, this is what I am planning.
they can have the cemented lower.
 
You can call them 2 days before the deadline to turn them in. They can’t deny your request to reclassify as a lower. Even if they did, again nothing stopping you from selling off the parts. Just because your FRT states you have a full rifle doesn’t mean you can’t sell off the parts. So long as you tell them.
 
I wonder if the threat against Trudeau today was from a member of the firearms community. That definitely would not put us in a good light with the rest of Canada.
 
yes this is true if it was registered as a rifle, but this is what I am asking.....if I disassemble my ar right now, call the cfo today and tell him I just sold all my parts - it will be "reclassified" as a lower only. in the event a confiscation happens down the road, I will take whatever legal means available to retain my lower but failing that - they will have to pick up my pail of cement and take it back and check the serial and registration and it will say a registered lower and thats what they have, it will not say a fully functional rifle so they will not ask me to produce the rest of the parts.

I am not willingly complying, nor will I simply drive my lower in and drop it off at the request of "letter in the mail"...I will exhaust every legal option available to me....and when thats done and I am left with a potential criminal record or letting them pick up a pail of cement....well, I'll make that decision at the 11th hour. maybe I wont hand it over at all....but if I do, this is what I am planning.
they can have the cemented lower.

Currently your property is YOUR property. If you want to encase your stuff in cement then go for it! I'm not aware of any law that says you can't ruin your own property. If I'm wrong I hope someone can enlighten us with actual factual documentation stating the law requires you to to keep firearms in good working order. That would be a good law and yet go against the grain of all this Liberal BS!
 
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