10/22 minimum barrel length?

[wood hog]

hello gents, i was reading through classification laws and came away unclear: What is the minimum barrel length for a (takedown) 10/22 to maintain non-restricted status? Does the prohibited classification below apply to rimfire?

Prohibited:
a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
is less than 660 mm in length, or
is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,

 

[sky52]

If you plan on cutting it, then its prohib regardless.

I had a 10inch 10/22 with a dlask barrel. Had to pin the folding stock open to keep the over all length to 26inch so that it stays non restricted.

 

[crossroads45]

I had an 8 1/2" DLASK barrel, still met the legal OAL

 

[eatredmeat157]

With respect to RIMFIRE rifles:

Cut (to less than 18”) = illegal
Replace barrel to any size (maintaining a 26” overall length) = legal

Nobody makes a 10/22 barrel thats less than 8” because in the factory stock, that would produce an overall length less than 26”,
I have asked DLASK to make one for me that was 4.5” long but they refused, another fella in BC (bits of pieces) had agreed to make one for me but it would have to be re registered as restricted, so I bought a 10/22 charger pistol to use in order to make the paperwork simple, but I haven’t got around to sending it off yet.

 

[TV-PressPass]

With a 12.5" barrel I had to pin the folding stock.

With an 8" barrel, I opted for a fixed stock.

Both barrels came from Dlask.

 

[Suther]

If you plan on cutting it, then its prohib regardless.

I had a 10inch 10/22 with a dlask barrel. Had to pin the folding stock open to keep the over all length to 26inch so that it stays non restricted.

My buddy has a 10/22 with the g36 style stock. He had originally bought a shorter barrel for it, then realized it was too short to stay NR. Upon contacting the CFP, he was emailed by a firearms tech who said modifications to the stock are irrelevant and if it was manufactured as a folding stock it is always a folding stock regardless of whether you pin, glue, etc. to stop it from folding. My buddy ended up putting his factory barrel back on and sold the other one.

So, according to the cfp/some firearms tech working there, a pinned folding stock would still make it a restricted firearm.

I'm sure others will argue that I'm wrong, and I don't care. I'm simply relaying what was told to my friend - in writing(via email, which he forwarded to me), not just over under phone - from the powers that be.

 

[tiriaq]

My buddy has a 10/22 with the g36 style stock. He had originally bought a shorter barrel for it, then realized it was too short to stay NR. Upon contacting the CFP, he was emailed by a firearms tech who said modifications to the stock are irrelevant and if it was manufactured as a folding stock it is always a folding stock regardless of whether you pin, glue, etc. to stop it from folding. My buddy ended up putting his factory barrel back on and sold the other one.

So, according to the cfp/some firearms tech working there, a pinned folding stock would still make it a restricted firearm.

I'm sure others will argue that I'm wrong, and I don't care. I'm simply relaying what was told to my friend - in writing(via email, which he forwarded to me), not just over under phone - from the powers that be.

Very interesting, given that there is nothing in the law or regulations supporting this opinion.
Who was the Tech? Can you post the email?

 

[Suther]

Very interesting, given that there is nothing in the law or regulations supporting this opinion.
Who was the Tech? Can you post the email?

I can't. It was in my school email which I can no longer access. I just checked to see if I could get in, but it tells me my account is disabled - makes sense I graduated almost 2 years ago and haven't really used it since.

 

[wood hog]

ok i got it. you can buy a barrel less than 18" (provided overall length is good) but you Cant Make It Yourself. so much for the DIY route. Thanks guys.

 

[wood hog]

But i don't think dlask makes 10/22 takedown barrels ?

 

[geologist]

And if you want to hunt with it, some provinces have barrel length minimums eg. BC 12".

So this 12.5" is legal to hunt with.

 

[B]

My buddy has a 10/22 with the g36 style stock. He had originally bought a shorter barrel for it, then realized it was too short to stay NR. Upon contacting the CFP, he was emailed by a firearms tech who said modifications to the stock are irrelevant and if it was manufactured as a folding stock it is always a folding stock regardless of whether you pin, glue, etc. to stop it from folding. My buddy ended up putting his factory barrel back on and sold the other one.

So, according to the cfp/some firearms tech working there, a pinned folding stock would still make it a restricted firearm.

I'm sure others will argue that I'm wrong, and I don't care. I'm simply relaying what was told to my friend - in writing(via email, which he forwarded to me), not just over under phone - from the powers that be.

That is contrary to how a lot of individuals and businesses are going about things. The CMR-30 for instance, it would be nice to have clarification on that.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

To be more precise, it is not illegal to 'cut' a barrel. It doesn't become illegal until that barrel is part of a rifle.

This was a 16.25 inch 10/22 barrel and is now 5.25 inches.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

ok i got it. you can buy a barrel less than 18" (provided overall length is good) but you Cant Make It Yourself. so much for the DIY route. Thanks guys.

Welcome to the logic of Canadian gun laws.


Grizz

 

[Suther]

That is contrary to how a lot of individuals and businesses are going about things. The CMR-30 for instance, it would be nice to have clarification on that.

Absolutely, clarification would be awesome. Sadly, our gun laws are such a convoluted mess even the people in charge have no idea wtf is up.

In another exchange with a firearms tech (can't remember if it was the same tech or a different one, both these inquires happened around the same time and about the same gun), same buddy was told that a muzzle device doesn't count towards OAL even if its welded or pinned (he originally bought a brake as he only needed about an inch to be NR) and yet certain models of the TROY PAR were originally deemed R due to OAL but upon appeal of the classification that got changed to NR as they counted the pinned on muzzle device towards OAL the second time around.

SO even the powers that be aren't certain about what is ok and what is not...

 

[PinaKaleada]

Here's a factory 6" barrel, pinned surefire 3 prong, (triple)pinned stock, Non-restricted OAL 26-3/8" without buttpad

 

[tharkhold]

My buddy has a 10/22 with the g36 style stock. He had originally bought a shorter barrel for it, then realized it was too short to stay NR. Upon contacting the CFP, he was emailed by a firearms tech who said modifications to the stock are irrelevant and if it was manufactured as a folding stock it is always a folding stock regardless of whether you pin, glue, etc. to stop it from folding. My buddy ended up putting his factory barrel back on and sold the other one.

So, according to the cfp/some firearms tech working there, a pinned folding stock would still make it a restricted firearm.

I'm sure others will argue that I'm wrong, and I don't care. I'm simply relaying what was told to my friend - in writing(via email, which he forwarded to me), not just over under phone - from the powers that be.

Well that sounds like a load of bullsheet... again, there's nothing in the actual law that indicates this, only barrel lengths/overall length, etc.

Now, if he's going about on how 'quickly' a pinned folding stock and be unpinned and folded, then yes, I can see how this could have aftereffects.

If you weld/epoxy/etc a folding/collapsible stock (ie non reversible mod), that should be ok, regardless of whom looks at it.

 

[crossroads45]

Nice, Who made that barrel ?

Here's a factory 6" barrel, pinned surefire 3 prong, (triple)pinned stock, Non-restricted OAL 26-3/8" without buttpad

 

[Suther]

Well that sounds like a load of bullsheet... again, there's nothing in the actual law that indicates this, only barrel lengths/overall length, etc.

Now, if he's going about on how 'quickly' a pinned folding stock and be unpinned and folded, then yes, I can see how this could have aftereffects.

If you weld/epoxy/etc a folding/collapsible stock (ie non reversible mod), that should be ok, regardless of whom looks at it.

Im not weighing in on this one way or the other, other than to say who the #### knows? I'm simply sharing what my friend was told by a firearms tech. Could he be wrong? I don't see why not, but that is what the tech said.

To play devils advocate, a folding stock is designed to fold. The law says "a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise,". That could be interpreted as meaning if the stock is designed to fold, regardless of whether it CAN fold after you've modified it, it can make a gun R.