Why not more cz 457 rifles showing up in the 1/2 inch 50 yard challenge ?
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There's at least two, yodave got a Royal shortly after the 457 release and smoked the challenge with it (though I do believe he put a 455 barrel on it, purchased the 457 as a .17 HMR or something like that).
I noted issues in the 455 line. Any of the actions, 452, 455, or 457, can all shoot very well if they have a good barrel. CZ barrel making gets a big 'ole thumbs down from me for quality and lack of consistency. I know I wouldn't buy a new CZ these days and feel like it has a good chance of doing 1/2" without some serious work to it.
That aside, maybe not as many people are buying 457s? Satisfied with their 452's and/or 455's, seeing no need to add another firearm to the safe? Buying them, but not a CGN member or interested in the 1/2" challenge? Dearest grauhanen here hasn't even bought one, and you know he's tried nearly every rimfire under the sun just for the sake of saying he did it (buy, post 1/2" success, list on EE next day, rinse and repeat
). I've got no use for a 457, actually thinking of downsizing my collection by 1 or 2 as they don't get used much..
Dearest grauhanen here hasn't even bought one, and you know he's tried nearly every rimfire under the sun just for the sake of saying he did it (buy, post 1/2" success, list on EE next day, rinse and repeat
I've got no use for you bringing me into your posts (again). I've said that before in this forum and I've said that on Rimfire Central. You don't seem to understand, so I'm saying it yet again. Leave me out of what you have to say. If you can't resist mentioning me for whatever reason, there must be something wrong with you. As the British would say when they mean leave me alone, kindly bugger off.
Get over it. Open forum, everything and everyone is fair game to "mention" in a post. If you can't deal with it, there must be something wrong with you. Be the scholarly gentleman you purport yourself to be and be amicable with me. You were mentioned because you're noted here for having bought an extreme variety of rimfires, simple as that. What is so offensive to you about that? Perhaps stay on topic and enlighten the OP as to why you did not pick up a 457.
Btw, it's OK to say "rabid's post" rather than "the post above". I won't be as uncouth as you and tell you to join the army over it. Do note I've never once delivered a scathing rebuttal in response to your "go join the army" tantrums, tempting as it may have been. You acting like this really does not make me feel very inclined to oblige. Hint: it's not working, time for you to try a new tactic.
Btw, it's OK to say "rabid's post" rather than "the post above". I won't be as uncouth as you and tell you to join the army over it. Do note I've never once delivered a scathing rebuttal in response to your "go join the army" tantrums, tempting as it may have been. You acting like this really does not make me feel very inclined to oblige. Hint: it's not working, time for you to try a new tactic.
Some people might also just not care at all to attempt shooting that much stricktly off a bench rest anymore now with PRS style shooting that lots of rimfire shooters are having WAY more fun with instead... 'sterile' bench rest gets real boring to some.
If you want some 'PRS fun', shoot 3 groups at the same time at 3 different distances.
Put a target at 100, 200 and 300. Shoot 1 round at 100 dial to 200 shoot, then repeat at 300. Dial back to 100 then shoot your second round on each target!
...repeat till you have a 5 shot group on each, if you even have 5 holes in each target!
If you want some 'PRS fun', shoot 3 groups at the same time at 3 different distances.
Put a target at 100, 200 and 300. Shoot 1 round at 100 dial to 200 shoot, then repeat at 300. Dial back to 100 then shoot your second round on each target!
...repeat till you have a 5 shot group on each, if you even have 5 holes in each target!
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Thank you for the logical responses. Both rabid and sk8 are likely on the right track with respect to not seeing more 457 shooting results. I recently purchased a new 457 american in 22 lr.......The only bench shooting I do is to get things sighted in. My range shooting is done standing, sitting or kneeling mostly. I just like to try different rifles as well, normally buying, shooting then selling two or three or four in any given year.......Feel this is part of the criteria for being included in the "gunnutz" community !!
My interest in CZ is linked to both accuracy and price. As price goes up and accuracy remains literally hit or miss, my interest declines proportionately.
I bought a Tikka this spring and haven't had the CZ out of the safe since. It'll eventually go for sale when I need more room.
I bought a Tikka this spring and haven't had the CZ out of the safe since. It'll eventually go for sale when I need more room.
As others have noted, the 457 is a relatively new CZ model. As a result there are far more older models such as 452's and 453's out there. Even the 455 is not all that old, making its appearance within the last ten years. As a result that tends to reduce the number of shooters using 457's compared to the earlier models. Given time it is likely more shooters will attempt the 1/2" challenge with 457's.
Another reason is that shooting a successful 1/2" challenge with a factory CZ rifle can be more difficult than with a rifle that typically has a better barrel. Rifles that are designed for target shooting very often have better quality barrels that are capable of better accuracy than factory CZ barrels. I have shot the challenge with only a few CZ rifles although I have tried to do it with almost each one of the nine CZ 452/453/455 .22LR's I've had. In short, it can be difficult to do with the average factory CZ bolt action .22LR because of the inherent limitations of the average rifle.
PRS-style shooting is no doubt "fun" but it is not clear that it will necessarily cause a great reduction in the number of shooters who try to complete the 1/2" challenge. There is at least one simple and practical reason. PRS requires more than the 1/2" challenge. In order to attempt the 1/2" challenge a shooter only requires 50 yards of shooting distance and a table or bench from which to shoot. Many shooters may not have easy access to a range that can accommodate PRS shooting as easily as it can 50 yard target shooting. To be sure, PRS may be a more engaging type of competition, but it need not supplant the simple requirements of the 1/2" challenge. Successfully completing it can still be quite demanding. Considering the number of CZ shooters and rifles out there, however, it can be expected that more of them will post successful challenges.
I had the opportunity to shoot a 457 Royal yesterday.
The trigger is brutal and without instructions hesitant to work on that.
The barrel is light but the pillar bedding looked very good.
So the only thing to work with was the tension on the action and we tried 25, 30 and 35 with match ammo.
Some ELEY Team at 1073 and 1074 gave the owner some good results. He is going to look at the trigger instructions and work on the YouTube version as well.
Some CenterX with a lot number starting with 29 did not perform.
The trigger is brutal and without instructions hesitant to work on that.
The barrel is light but the pillar bedding looked very good.
So the only thing to work with was the tension on the action and we tried 25, 30 and 35 with match ammo.
Some ELEY Team at 1073 and 1074 gave the owner some good results. He is going to look at the trigger instructions and work on the YouTube version as well.
Some CenterX with a lot number starting with 29 did not perform.
What did the Savage achieve compared to the CZ at 50 and at 300 yards?
Savage mk2 Tr at 50 using lapua centerx shooting 1055ish fps was basically one hole maybe .25"-.30" max at 50 and about 5"-8" group at 300yards
CZ. 455 in a krg bravo chassis shooting lapua center-x 1062fps and 50 slightly larger hole about .50"-.60" at 50 which is still OK. But at 300 yards its probably group of 12" -14". At CRPS in kamloops last weekend while waiting for the other squads to finish I tried hitting a 12" square at 300 meters. Prone, with good dope, minimal wind at the time, sand bag and bipod for support I dumped all my mags, so 30 rounds. Aimed at the center the whole time not chasing rounds. Could not make 1 hit. I just watched rounds dance around the plate. For what people say about CZ I'm really not impressed.
CZ. 455 in a krg bravo chassis shooting lapua center-x 1062fps and 50 slightly larger hole about .50"-.60" at 50 which is still OK. But at 300 yards its probably group of 12" -14". At CRPS in kamloops last weekend while waiting for the other squads to finish I tried hitting a 12" square at 300 meters. Prone, with good dope, minimal wind at the time, sand bag and bipod for support I dumped all my mags, so 30 rounds. Aimed at the center the whole time not chasing rounds. Could not make 1 hit. I just watched rounds dance around the plate. For what people say about CZ I'm really not impressed.
Consistent sub-.30" five shot groups at 50 yards is quite incredible for a Savage -- in fact it's very good for almost any rifle. The 5" - 8" groups at 300 yards are similarly noteworthy. Regarding the CZ, perhaps you got a poor-to-average shooting rifle rather than the extraordinary one you seem to have in the Savage.
Are the MV's referred to above the chronographed averages of the same lot of ammo with each rifle? Something else? Did you note the ES or SD of the ammo?
I can summarize: "Mine shoots great, I'm happy", "Mine shoots average, but for my purposes, I'm happy", "Mine shoots like crap, not happy", "Mine shoots OK, and the other one I got shoots like crap, not happy. I re-barreled them with match barrels and am now happy".
The savage is amazing, but it misfed at the word possible time and was costing me points on stages, but it was accurate.those are the chrorny averages taken with a labradar can't find my numbers from when I did it . same lot of ammo in different rifles. But several people I shoot with have aftermarket barrels from IBI on their CZs.
I've been lusting for a CZ bolt for the better part of a decade now.
I'm not that good a Shooter to attempt the 1/2" challenge so the purpose of getting one is to appreciate the beauty and craftsmanship of a CZ. That said, I'm happy with the accuracy from my Savage MKII TR and S&L but one day I'm going buy that CZ........
I'm not that good a Shooter to attempt the 1/2" challenge so the purpose of getting one is to appreciate the beauty and craftsmanship of a CZ. That said, I'm happy with the accuracy from my Savage MKII TR and S&L but one day I'm going buy that CZ........
You say you fell for a supposed cult-like support for the Tikka but still believe it's better than the CZ. That's a somewhat backhanded endorsement of the Finnish rifle over the Czech.
