Protection while camping

marlin1895gs said:
doesn't that thing have to be 26" oal to be non restricted?
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Grasshopper, release the bonds and restraints of logic. Logic is never meant to intersect with the firearms Act. The Oracles have deemed it non-restricted by the whims of the gods, questioning it may cause you their displeasure. :cool:
 
marlin1895gs said:
haha, ok i follow, i just seem to have a nack for bad luck when it comes to authority, and i think that one might give some trouble.. right?
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These little shotguns are quite popular with the CFO me thinks :) just make sure you have your certificate with you. Worse thing that'd happen is you'd temporarily lose your gun, but you'd get it back when the error was clarified.
If you get taken down hard and beaten... sue!
 
With respect to powerful handgun rounds like the .454 Casull, and the.475 and .500 Linebaughs, I question the ability of most people to get a second shot off quickly enough to save them, if the 1st round misses the mark. I know what I can do with a properly loaded .44 (325 WFN @ 1200). In a 42 ounce gun, it is distinctly enough from a controllability stand point. I recently sighted in a CO's Super Redhawk with these loads (there was a problem with the rear sight) and they weren't any more pleasant to shoot in the big Redhawk than in my short SBH.

I can't think of any serious gun crank who wouldn't be taken with the Dlask short shotties but looking at these guns in a critical light, I see disadvantages of using one in a bear defence role. Problems with LEO's are sure to occur, particularly with those who don't think anyone but them should have guns. The 3 round capacity might be a problem. While it could be argued that the capacity of my 590 is unnecessarily excessive, 3 rounds, or two rounds with an empty chamber is distinctly lacking. If you are going to argue that a double barrel only has only two rounds, I would point out that the pump does not have the rate of fire of the double. Lastly, can anyone hit anything with one of these guns?. If so, at what range and with what ammo? Defensive bear shooting is not always at arms length, and you need to question if you could handle a 30' shot - let alone a 30 yard shot - with one of these guns. Lastly, the thought of shooting Federal 3" slugs out of what is essentially a 12 gauge pistol is not a pleasant one. If it has to be loaded with 23/4" Winchester slugs to be manageable, I would want to chronograph the load before I recommended it for use on large bears.
 
Boomer check som eof the previous posts on the short 870s. I have done and posted chrono at muzzle and 15m. Also these guns are very accurate at 35m....depending on shooter ability of course...with the full stock it can shoot 3" groups at 25m or smaller. They are a bit harder to shoot than a 20' barrel but if one knows what he is doing they are an effective tool. That said I always choose my longer (16" and 5 mag cap) gun when I can but for space and compactness these are the cat's ass.

WRT large calibre handguns, practice is the key. 454s and larger are hard to shoot fast and not pleasant but again is one is serious he will practice and practice until he can shoot a gun properly.....that said I have to go for a few days into the bush to play with the grizzlies.

Cheers
 
non restricted???????

Greaves024 said:
thought you guys might like to see this "bear gun"
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i saw the add and it was non restricted with the reg
buttstock on. by putting thr rear pistol grip?????????
 
Ike said:
Boomer check som eof the previous posts on the short 870s. I have done and posted chrono at muzzle and 15m. Also these guns are very accurate at 35m....depending on shooter ability of course...with the full stock it can shoot 3" groups at 25m or smaller. They are a bit harder to shoot than a 20' barrel but if one knows what he is doing they are an effective tool. That said I always choose my longer (16" and 5 mag cap) gun when I can but for space and compactness these are the cat's ass.

WRT large calibre handguns, practice is the key. 454s and larger are hard to shoot fast and not pleasant but again is one is serious he will practice and practice until he can shoot a gun properly.....that said I have to go for a few days into the bush to play with the grizzlies.

Cheers
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The accuracy of the gun is not in question - the ability of an individual to shoot the gun accurately under stress is. I would have less issue if the gun was equipped with a full shoulder stock.

Practice all you like with the big bore handguns, but if you can't bring a gun down out of recoil for a repeat shot - all that power all that power does you little good if your first shot isn't right. This is not a markmanship issue rather a #### happens issue.

I am off to do the same with polar bears - of course they are encountered here on nearly a daily basis now - I don't have to go looking for them.
 
CanFire said:
That short shotty is insane! I can't imagine what it would be like to fire a slug out of. With it's incredibily short OAL, how can it be be a non-restricted?
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Laws are purely arbitrary, the Government can make anything prohibited or non-restricted, at the whim of a bureaucrat, this gun falls into the non-restricted definition. This does not have a folding stock so it is OK. Make it larger by adding a folding stock, it becomes a prohib.
 
Boomer said:
The accuracy of the gun is not in question - the ability of an individual to shoot the gun accurately under stress is.

I don't think we're disagreeing here. I'm not making it an accuracy issue, just pointing out that the gun (short 870 and high power revolvers) is up to the task for many situations when used within their limitations (just like any other gun)..much more than the shooter most likely is. The tool is only as good as the operator, and that gets lost a lot of the time. That is where proper training comes in, training beyond a basic level which simulated real life situations AFTER the basics are mastered
I would have less issue if the gun was equipped with a full shoulder stock. I agree, the full stock is better than the pg, the pg is a niche product that excels in a particular situation and does a great job. However with practice a skilled person can shoot the shorter guns very effectively. I can pass our Dept's Bear Defence qualification with the 8.5" 870 with distances up to 25m whereas others can hardly pass it with the full 20" gun, it's all about proficiency and ability.

Practice all you like with the big bore handguns, but if you can't bring a gun down out of recoil for a repeat shot - all that power all that power does you little good if your first shot isn't right. This is not a markmanship issue rather a s**t happens issue. That should go without saying, if one can't effectively use any tool they should not be using it. The short 870 and high power revolvers are diffuclt to shoot effectively and beyond the capability of many shooters. However many people can and do shoot them effectively enough to use in a life & death defence situation. It is partially a training (Basic and advanced Practical) issue as well as personal physical limits. I think many people have no idea about this when it comes to shooting ability, gun capability and stress situations- I see it a lot when I deliver this type of training. The gun is the tool and the result (within reason) falls on the actions, physical condition, training and mental state of the operator. Some will be able to handle and shoot a 454 Casull effectively whereas some can hardly handle a 357 Magnum, some will people react differently wrt mental and emotional responses, there are people carrying full shotguns that can't hit S**T when under stress.

I am off to do the same with polar bears - of course they are encountered here on nearly a daily basis now - I don't have to go looking for them.
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Got delayed a bit,

Cheers
 
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That shotgun came from Dlask, is that right?

Yeah Jeff sorry I must pay respects where they are due.
& they are due to Dlask Arms enjoy! :rockOn:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156995

Heres my Bear killer
yes I have shot slugs with one hand in the black @ 25 yards. & I can also shoot trap with it with one hand(skeets thrown by hand) :cool: Love the 1300 its too bad they stopped making them. The speed pump actually ejects shells after you fire it & you can then flick the pump forward all with one hand. I will uppload a video as soon as I make one ;)
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JesseGlobe said:
If you go camping in dangerous parts of Canada like the Yukon or whitehorse, is there an ATT that will allow you to bring your hand gun with you from Manitoba to Yukon (where I am camping) and then further allow you to carry that handgun while on the camping trip? I have a .303 Lee Enfield, but I'd way rather shoot at a bear with my USP .45 Auto, all though both weapons would do a large scale amount of damage to poor ol' smokey:evil:, whatta'ya guys know about that?
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Any part of the outdoors can be dangerous for bears etc. I was camping at Shuswap Lake Provincial Park last week and came across some very fresh bear droppings and claw marks on a public trail close to the Adams River just a hundred yards from the road. I carry a bear bell on my daypack to keep them advised of my presense and don't have the dog with me. Guns? You'll wind up with more trouble than the bear if you get caught carrying a loaded handgun unlawfully.
 
Here is a vid clip on youtube of me drawing and shooting a 4.25" Ruger SRH in 454 Casull loaded with Beartooth 405gr WLNGC cast bullets @ 1200fps...

Don't laugh at the draw the Bob Mernickle holster was brand new and I wasn't used to the thumb break yet... :D

My target is only at 15 yards and is a 2" dot on a 8 x 11 standard letter size paper and all 3 shots hit the paper.

I am definately not as accurate with a handgun as I am with any rifle or shotgun but I'll take my handguns over a can of bear spray or a stick any day.

I am one of those that takes the time to practice shooting though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENclXD0LaE#GU5U2spHI_4

My son doesn't have an ATC so we bought him a Dlask 8.5" shotgun. These are awesome little guns that will get the job done when other firearms like my Marlin 1895GS 45-70 or a 18.5" Rem 870 with 7 shot extended mag tube are to large/heavy to carry all day long.
 
damn camp cook looks like she's got some kick. I thought most people didn't use crossdraw holster since they are not allowed in most shooting competitions for safety reasons?
 
For bush carry I prefer cross draw due to being able to reach the gun with either hand if necessary as well as the barrel stays out of the way especially when I and bending down, crouching or sitting.

Even my new Bob Mernicle shoulder holster for this same gun positions it in almost the exact same spot just a little higher which allows me to hook up my back or day pack hip strap and the gun is not in the way.

When I shoot cowboy action competitions I use a strong side and cross draw holster system. The idea is to twist to the side a bit so that you are not breaking the 180 degree line when drawing.
 
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