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Logic dictates that so called ‘assault rifles’ that are already neutered (pinned) to 5 rounds should be banned so there are less victims. Would their heads explode if they knew about rimfires with available drum mags holding over 100 rounds? I guess ‘assault rimfire’ doesn’t have the same ring to strike fear and trigger the masses.
I wonder when we’ll get the hear the definition of ‘military style’.
 
Here's my take on things politically and with firearms. The conservatives lost that election. It was theirs to win but they threw it away. How did they throw it away? Populism and Social Conservatism. These are not values that most Canadians hold or support and they are definitely in short supply in major urban centers. Say what you will about those two things but if you back those political angles kiss your guns good bye because we aren't going to win any elections. The world has moved on and either we move with it or we get left behind. How do we counter this? You spend the $10 or whatever the membership fee is to join your preferred party and you vote for the leader that backs our position on firearms and not those two. We had some pretty clear choices last go around and we ended up with Maxime Bernier and Andrew Scheer, and look where that got us. We have to move back to center and focus our efforts on bringing Canadians with us. I'm a restricted firearms owner and active outdoorsman and I have no intention of giving up without a fight, but we have to examine whats more important to us. As for where we go from here, we fight it. We fight it in court, we fight it in the House of Commons and we fight it on the airwaves and in their mailboxes. I believe it was Wolverine .303 that posted some excellent form letters to use as a base template. If we all took the time to write a letter, print it off and put it in the mail even once every two weeks, they'd take notice. If we all made it our mission to bring a new friend to the range or introduce a young person to hunting when we can we'd grow our numbers. Our fight here isn't over, if anything it has to grow more intense, we have to be coordinated, disciplined, well spoken and courteous. Going on about "Libtards", "Snowflakes", and "illegitimate governments" will get us nowhere except relegated to the same region of the political spectrum as conspiracy theorists. I know you're all as upset as I am about what happened on election night, but now's not the time to fall apart at the seams. Let's put differences aside and focus on our common goal. We can fight this. Hell we can even still win this if we get our friends and and family that aren't as active in the community as we are involved. Write, Fight, Polite. Thank you all for reading this!
 
Yes, once again, what Quebec and Ontario want, the rest of us get stuck with. Other agendas at work, you bet, I believe it was Senator Sharon Carstairs, from Manitoba say, years ago, that (the wonderfully useless United Nations) wanted to have Canada re-engineered as a gun free society. my .02.
 
My riding is blue but that really does not matter in this situation at all

Will support any movement that we can collectively work on though and I am going to lose some sleep on this over the coming months that I do know......
 
We can keep talking to people, trying to convince them that going after the legal owners is a waste of time.

But I think one thing that can be used to our advantage during these discussions is the financial cost.

We keep hearing, on a daily basis, about x billion dollars for this, x billion dollars for that.

We have over $700 billion in debt, and the gov, last year, ran a deficit of $14 billion. That means that they spent $14 billion dollars more than they brought in. I don't know about you folks, but if I spend more than I make, there's gonna be problems.

But what is a billion dollars? It's a number that the talking heads on the screen throw around like it's a dozen eggs.

Nobody knows what a billion dollars really is.

But everyone knows what a second is. There was one. Another just went by.

Anyone want to guess when a billion seconds ago was?

1987.

So I think another angle, in addition to the fact that the criminals will always have guns from the US, is to point out how much money this will cost, for no real change. Money that has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is EVERYONE'S pockets.

Nobody wants to pay more taxes, no matter what party they voted for, unless they're really stupid.

So that's another angle.

Just my two cents.

Dave
 
The Conservatives need to get rid of Bland Scheer and find someone that can connect with the swing voters... a leader who says what he/she thinks and is fearless... otherwise CPC is not winning. This was an easy election to win but Scheer just could not connect. When I canvassed for the CPC in the GTA a lot of voters told me that they would vote CPC but they didn’t like Scheer and didn’t see a clear policy direction with him. The Wexit movement and western alienation will likely keep him busy, I hope for the sake of our firearms. Plus energy companies such as Encana and others are leaving to the US because of JT and the Libs Terrible policies.very likely CANADA will go into recession soon the way things are going under the Boy King JT.
But now is the time to organize and challenge any bans that come... as JT and the libs are severely weakened despite them winning the election due to the Bland Campaign the Bland Soup Scheer ran.
 
Populism and Social Conservatism. These are not values that most Canadians hold or support and they are definitely in short supply in major urban centers. Say what you will about those two things but if you back those political angles kiss your guns good bye because we aren't going to win any elections. The world has moved on and either we move with it or we get left behind.#
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This is simply false... canada may be filled with a bunch of cucks but populism itself has seen a rise in the western world...
 
The Government has C-71 to finish implementing. That will be the first thing that they will do.
 
As long as the state-run media continues to churn out the state dictated propaganda we will see our rights slide away.
 
I believe most city dwelling PALed cops own handguns and ARs. (CGNer JeffMan said something similar here.)

Is it public safety that Toronto cops should be denied their ability to practice, or that their alternative choice is to leave Toronto ?
 
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doctor_evil said:
So I think another angle, in addition to the fact that the criminals will always have guns from the US, is to point out how much money this will cost, for no real change. Money that has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is EVERYONE'S pockets.
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The last election the public was offered a choice that few noticed.

Vote Liberal, and they'll spend almost a billion dollars in a useless gun buyback scheme that will save no lives.
Vote Conservative, and they'll spend 1.5 billion dollars on MRI machines. Each MRI machine costs about $3.5 million dollars, and saves 400 lives annually. That's almost 200,000 lives saved.

Certainly the unions that spent millions on ABC (anyone but conservative) didn't care.



Gun control advocates like to use the expression, “If it saves one life, it’s worth it.” What they fail to recognize is that if the same amount of effort and money utilized in a different manner would save ten lives, then refusing to do so and saving only one is criminal.
-- Senator Don Plett, March 27 2019, http://www.donplett.ca/my-work/articles-and-speeches/bill-c-71-is-an-utter-and-tragic-failure/
 
doctor_evil said:
We can keep talking to people, trying to convince them that going after the legal owners is a waste of time.

But I think one thing that can be used to our advantage during these discussions is the financial cost.

We keep hearing, on a daily basis, about x billion dollars for this, x billion dollars for that.

We have over $700 billion in debt, and the gov, last year, ran a deficit of $14 billion. That means that they spent $14 billion dollars more than they brought in. I don't know about you folks, but if I spend more than I make, there's gonna be problems.

But what is a billion dollars? It's a number that the talking heads on the screen throw around like it's a dozen eggs.

Nobody knows what a billion dollars really is.

But everyone knows what a second is. There was one. Another just went by.

Anyone want to guess when a billion seconds ago was?

1987.

So I think another angle, in addition to the fact that the criminals will always have guns from the US, is to point out how much money this will cost, for no real change. Money that has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is EVERYONE'S pockets.

Nobody wants to pay more taxes, no matter what party they voted for, unless they're really stupid.

So that's another angle.

Just my two cents.

Dave
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Bingo.

When the registry was being scrapped, the one and only thing that turned the general non- firearms public against it was the money. Specifically the liberal scandal surrounding how much the costs had risen wildly out of control. And it was revealed that it had done nothing to prevent crime.

So go with the one and only thing that has worked before.

This new plan of theirs is obviously expensive, difficult to implement, and obnoxious in nature.

So remind people of that past liberal failure and show this new plan as parallel to that.
 
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The last election the public was offered a choice that few noticed.

Vote Liberal, and they'll spend almost a billion dollars in a useless gun buyback scheme that will save no lives.
Vote Conservative, and they'll spend 1.5 billion dollars on MRI machines. Each MRI machine costs about $3.5 million dollars, and saves 400 lives annually. That's almost 200,000 lives saved.

Certainly the unions that spent millions on ABC (anyone but conservative) didn't care.



Gun control advocates like to use the expression, “If it saves one life, it’s worth it.” What they fail to recognize is that if the same amount of effort and money utilized in a different manner would save ten lives, then refusing to do so and saving only one is criminal.
-- Senator Don Plett, March 27 2019, http://www.donplett.ca/my-work/articles-and-speeches/bill-c-71-is-an-utter-and-tragic-failure/
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... and ain't that the sad f^^^in truth.... :(
 
HotSoup said:
Look at new zealand, 50 days left to comply and most of their now prohibited firearms have not been turned in. Im sure ole Bill Blair is watching closely, when hes not getting piss drunk and raging at his wife.
They know the can of worms theyre opening up, people will simply not comply.
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Incorrect. 50 days left to comply, and not even close. 30,000 surrendered, and still another estimated 250,000 out there. Plus of the 30K turned in, 50% were classed MSSA. the other 50% were tube fed semi autos that could not be modified to comply with the law.
 
I agree with Wolverine, too much infighting and name calling in this forum. Remember, "divide and conquer?"


Here's what my local MP had to say, she replied within a week of the election result.


Hi Russell,


Thank you for writing us with your concerns on legal gun ownership.


Rachel worked very closely on Bill C-71 in the previous session. She spoke with many people in the riding and across the country on all sides of the conversation. As a representative for more rural and remote communities, she understands the realities of compliant gun ownership better than representatives from large urban centres.? Rachel even went through the course to get her PAL just to ensure she understood the issue thoroughly.


The biggest issue she found with C-71 is that the Liberals said it would reduce gun crime and gangn violence, when in reality it will do no such thing. You are completely right in saying the vast majority of gun owners in Canada are compliant with the law, and many of the guns used in violent crime are outside of registered ownership to begin with.


Rachel and the NDP agree that the best solution to crime is prevention. We need to intercept illegal weapons at the source, and we need to connect with those at risk of joining gangs and get them the support they need to live as an upstanding member of society.


Thank you again for writing, and please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any other questions.


Jessie Gervais


It would seem that many MP's across the country (particularly rural MP"s) likely have similar opinions regardless of party affiliation. Write your MP, keep it proffessional and keep up the fight.
 
I do everything I can to promote and support firearm ownwnership. Got two of my friends and my wife to get their RPAL so far. They were pretty much anti-gun before. The problem seems to be more a "big city vs rest of Canada " problem than a "est-west " problem.
People living outside the cities , everywhere in Canada , own or have family member who owns firearms.
Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver all voted Liberal and those cities have a lot more electoral district compare to their suburbs even if the urban sprawl have taken most of the residents out of the cities. Then, the proportion of immigrants, witch is around 30 % where I live, in Montreal, is enough to get the liberals reelected.
Same thing in Vancouver and Toronto.

From Worldpopulationreview.com
"About 31% of the Montreal population belong to a visible minority, up dramatically from just 5% in 1981."

Immigration is not a bad thing but the self-ghettoization is a real problem. Have we lost our cities? That's how it feels. Everything works exactly as planed by the Liberals.
It won't be an easy task to reverse the situation.
 
Frankflag said:
I do everything I can to promote and support firearm ownwnership. Got two of my friends and my wife to get their RPAL so far. They were pretty much anti-gun before. The problem seems to be more a "big city vs rest of Canada " problem than a "est-west " problem.
People living outside the cities , everywhere in Canada , own or have family member who owns firearms.
Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver all voted Liberal and those cities have a lot more electoral district compare to their suburbs even if the urban sprawl have taken most of the residents out of the cities. Then, the proportion of immigrants, witch is around 30 % where I live, in Montreal, is enough to get the liberals reelected.
Same thing in Vancouver and Toronto.

From Worldpopulationreview.com
"About 31% of the Montreal population belong to a visible minority, up dramatically from just 5% in 1981."

Immigration is not a bad thing but the self-ghettoization is a real problem. Have we lost our cities? That's how it feels. Everything works exactly as planed by the Liberals.
It won't be an easy task to reverse the situation.
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It will never be reversed, our country has morphed into a Steven King novel. We are finished, time for the west to seriously think about annexation with the U.S. the only option left.
 
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