Question: shipping a handgun to a buyer on EE

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Sorry if this is a stupid question(s), but...

If I've sold someone a handgun on the EE, and done all the transfer paperwork, how do I get the gun to the buyer?

Do I just pack it in a box, take it to the post office, and put it in the mail?

Do I need an ATT to take it to the post office?

Does the buyer need an ATT to get it from the Post Office if it is not delivered to their home?

What is the liability if the gun "disappears" in transit? Obviously I would ship it by registered, signature required, but if they are not home it may end up in the post office outlet for pickup. And what's to say that at the other end the buyer was actually the one at the door, and not their relative, or friend, etc


Or, if the buy happens to be local, do I just meet them at a local gun club (since we both presumably have ATTs to take guns back and forth to any local club) and hand it to them?


Thanks
 
1.You need an att to the post office. 2. He doesn't need one to pick it up. 3.And I ship it like the store shipped it to me. 4.thats why you get insurance. 5.After the transfer you would need an att to bring it to a club
 
Sorry if this is a stupid question(s), but...

If I've sold someone a handgun on the EE, and done all the transfer paperwork, how do I get the gun to the buyer?

Do I just pack it in a box, take it to the post office, and put it in the mail?

Do I need an ATT to take it to the post office?

Does the buyer need an ATT to get it from the Post Office if it is not delivered to their home?

What is the liability if the gun "disappears" in transit? Obviously I would ship it by registered, signature required, but if they are not home it may end up in the post office outlet for pickup. And what's to say that at the other end the buyer was actually the one at the door, and not their relative, or friend, etc


Or, if the buy happens to be local, do I just meet them at a local gun club (since we both presumably have ATTs to take guns back and forth to any local club) and hand it to them?


Thanks

Transfer from point of purchase/pick up (I.e. post office) to your home is now covered under your standard ATT (As per C42)

As for the seller... Dunno, I haven't sold a restricted yet. Lol. Following...
 
You cannot ship it like the store did to you. You must follow the transportation regs to take it to the post office. Secure the firearm and secure the container. Yes you are supposed to get an ATT to transport to the post office. Signature required on firearms shipped
 
If you mail it, you need to pack it with a trigger lock and in a locked container. Most do it wrong. When you take it to the post office, the Transport regs apply.

Rules are different for commercial dealers and they don't always need to do this if CP or others pick up from their place of business.


For the general public

Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations#(SOR/98-209)

Transportation of Restricted Firearms
11#An individual may transport a restricted firearm only if
(a)#it is unloaded;
(b)#it is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;
(c)#it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation; and
(d)#if it is in a container described in paragraph (c) that is in an unattended vehicle,
(i)#when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the container is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked, and
(ii)#when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the vehicle, or the part of the vehicle that contains the container, is securely locked and the container is not visible from outside the vehicle.

Shipping by Post
16#An individual may ship a firearm by posting it only if
(a)#the firearm is a non-restricted firearm, restricted firearm or prohibited handgun;
(b)#the destination is within Canada; and
(c)#the firearm is posted using the most secure means of transmission by post that is offered by the Canada Post Corporation that includes the requirement to obtain a signature on delivery.
SOR/2004-277, s. 4


For businesses

Storage, Display and Transportation of Firearms and Other Weapons by Businesses Regulations#(SOR/98-210)

Transportation of Restricted Firearms and Prohibited Handguns
12#(1)#A business may transport a restricted firearm or a prohibited handgun only if
(a)#it is unloaded; and
(b)#it is in a container
(i)#that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot be readily broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation, and
(ii)#that, subject to subsection (2), does not have any markings on its exterior that could indicate that a weapon, a prohibited device or ammunition is in it; and
(c)#when it is in a container described in paragraph (b) that is in an unattended vehicle,
(i)#if the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the container is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked, and
(ii)#if the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the vehicle, or the part of the vehicle that contains the container, is securely locked and the container is not visible from outside the vehicle.
(2)#Subparagraph (1)(b)(ii) does not apply if
(a)#the only marking on the exterior of the container that could indicate that a weapon, a prohibited device or ammunition is contained in it is a name or address; or
(b)#the container and its contents are being imported into Canada or exported from Canada.


Here are the Canada Post rules

5.2 Firearms (including imitation and replica firearms)

International destinations:

Under no circumstances can Firearms be mailed as defined by the Firearms Act:
Section 16 - non-contract
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-98-209/FullText.html
Section 15 - contract
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-210/FullText.html

Canada:

Please contact the Canadian Firearms Centre at cfc-cafc.gc.ca or by calling 1-800-731-4000 to determine whether it is permissible to ship your firearms.
When it is determined permissible to ship firearms, they must be shipped as follows:

Customer Type - Service To Be Used

Consumer - Regular Parcel with Signature option.

Contract customer - Expedited Parcel with the Proof of Age (18 or 19) option using EST. Visit Section Mail addressed to children of Policies for an age of majority by province or territory listing.

Customers who wish to ship firearms must:

-unload the firearms - there cannot be any ammunition in the firearm or in the package (bullets, cartridges and other ammunition are dangerous goods)
-attach a secure locking device to the firearms
-lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container, and
-remove the bolt or bolt carrier from any automatic firearms (if removable).
-Firearms cannot be shipped via air and cannot have any markings on the outside of the packaging. The customer is solely responsible for meeting all Canadian Firearms Centre regulations.
 
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Another question. Do buyers usually pay before you initiate the transfer? How long does it take to do a transfer usually?
 
Another question. Do buyers usually pay before you initiate the transfer? How long does it take to do a transfer usually?

I won’t initiate a transfer until I receive the cash and that seems pretty standard for most sellers...Most of the tranfers I’ve done where the buyer is in Ontario or Quebec take 2-3 weeks (occasionally longer). Other provinces vary - can be a day or two or up to a week.
 
Another question. Do buyers usually pay before you initiate the transfer? How long does it take to do a transfer usually?

As others have said... money goes in the bank before the transfer is initiated. Every deal I've had has gone this way whether I was the buyer or seller.

Also as others have said... transfer times vary considerably. It is dependent on the CFO of the buyer's province.
 
If I was buying from someone with 0 feedback as a seller, I might ask to pay a deposit up front, then I'd send the remainder once I called the CFO to complete the transfer and confirm the sellers info. If you are the seller in that situation, you just don't ship until you get the remainder or you cancel the transfer and return the deposit. Dealing with restricteds is lower risk than non-restricteds when the transaction is not face to face.
 
If I was buying from someone with 0 feedback as a seller, I might ask to pay a deposit up front, then I'd send the remainder once I called the CFO to complete the transfer and confirm the sellers info. If you are the seller in that situation, you just don't ship until you get the remainder or you cancel the transfer and return the deposit. Dealing with restricteds is lower risk than non-restricteds when the transaction is not face to face.

But as the seller, can you cancel the transfer after it has been approved but the buyer has not paid the balance? Because, once it has been approved, it is no longer your gun, no?
 
If I was buying from someone with 0 feedback as a seller, I might ask to pay a deposit up front, then I'd send the remainder once I called the CFO to complete the transfer and confirm the sellers info.

You might, eh? So you've actually done this before?

Personally, I would never allow that to happen no matter the circumstance.
 
You might, eh? So you've actually done this before?

Personally, I would never allow that to happen no matter the circumstance.

Yes, when I didn’t have enough background on the seller. If they had said no, I would have moved on - no harm no foul.
I will almost always pass on a seller with 0 feedback.
 
Yes, when I didn’t have enough background on the seller. If they had said no, I would have moved on - no harm no foul.
I will almost always pass on a seller with 0 feedback.

So someone actually agreed to those terms? Can you tell us who? Or do you ask and always receive the same answer (no) and move on?

The reason I'm interested is because I can't understand why someone would ever put themselves in that position. Why leave any room for error when the seller can just find another buyer.
 
I bought a Ruger SR 1911 and a Girsan 9 mm. from the same seller. I asked him when he wanted the money and he said once I confirm the transfer. Sale went with out a hitch. Good rep. means a lot. Open and honest, with out fine print.
 
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