So where are we now?

[pisces-guy]

"Hunters don't use or need assault weapons"...what do those liberal fools know about what hunters use? There are many hunters who hunt with semi auto rifles, and even more use semi auto shotguns.
They've been around since the early part of the 20th century and law abiding gun owners shoot paper, skeet, clays, and game with them. They're NOT "assault weapons" because they can't be set to fire
in full auto...the difference between a Browning BAR .308 and an ATRS Modern Hunter is just cosmetic, they're both semi auto and chambered in .308...but the liberal fools call the Modern Hunter an assault rifle
because it looks similar to an AR. Government and police should go after criminals, gun smugglers, and gangs...confiscate their guns and if they won't reform, employ capital punishment and fry them!

 

[PSYLNZ]

In the USA the NSSF has departed sharply from the NRA's confrontative / legal approach and joined forces with large and highly respected groups that are starting to come to grips with the root causes of gun abuse. It's a long, slow reversal of fortunes but in the three years that it's been in play it's showing real results starting with a very effective sidelining of the most vocal anti gun voices.

Link in my sig line and lots of reading from there on.

Here in Canada the idea of fine tuning our existing toolbox and changing our core image with some new themes is a dud so for what happens from here on we're just along for the ride.

History will point the way to our failure with shoulda / coulda / woulda but by then it'll be too late. The gun community thinks that they are great leaders but in fact they are more expert at following events rather than setting the agenda.

Thank you, I was trying to find a way to make the same point last night, but ran out of time.

Back in February, some gun orgs met with anti-violence orgs in Toronto.
https://firearmrights.ca/en/meanwhile-lets-work-on-crime-community-lobby-groups/

The Zero Gun Violence Movement was founded by Louis March, and he has been quoted in numerous interviews as saying that banning guns is not the solution.

A cooperative effort between someone like this and a gun org could get it through to the electorate that Trudeau's policies will do nothing to keep them safe, and come up with some solutions that actually would.

 

[scout_289]

CosmiC10R

"So to your point, I still agree that your ideas are the right thing although I don't think we will get the hoped for positive media exposure that we would otherwise gain due to the way media is these days."

I do know that every negative thing that we do or say has the potential to end up in the media so we have little to lose by attempting to be positive.

And we may not have to do much. We're like any other random group in society (which is kinda the point) so I'd wager that among us that when it comes to charitable work there are laggards and there are over achievers. Gathering representative data and expanding it to represent the 2.2 million gun owners in Canada may yield an interesting picture that we could get published and "out there".

And if every media that we approach turns down a good news story then that in itself a story - of discrimination. I'd say we'd get our way if we made a plan and stuck to it.

 

[scout_289]

Thank you, I was trying to find a way to make the same point last night, but ran out of time.

Back in February, some gun orgs met with anti-violence orgs in Toronto.
https://firearmrights.ca/en/meanwhile-lets-work-on-crime-community-lobby-groups/

The Zero Gun Violence Movement was founded by Louis March, and he has been quoted in numerous interviews as saying that banning guns is not the solution.

A cooperative effort between someone like this and a gun org could get it through to the electorate that Trudeau's policies will do nothing to keep them safe, and come up with some solutions that actually would.

Excellent work, thank you!

I approached him about a year ago but the trail went cold. A gun org, and better more than one gun org, has the muscle and credibility that an individual just cannot readily muster.

We do need some high profile poster boys / girls for any initiative along the lines that we're discussing; the orgs are to be commended. Some may be wakening up to the fact that not only will success in reaching our goals result in less interest of funding our orgs, the current path is going to lead to a full scale scalping of the number of gun owners and the orgs' demise will happen in that case as well.

 

[shms]

"Hunters don't use or need assault weapons"...what do those liberal fools know about what hunters use? There are many hunters who hunt with semi auto rifles, and even more use semi auto shotguns.
They've been around since the early part of the 20th century and law abiding gun owners shoot paper, skeet, clays, and game with them. They're NOT "assault weapons" because they can't be set to fire
in full auto...the difference between a Browning BAR .308 and an ATRS Modern Hunter is just cosmetic, they're both semi auto and chambered in .308...but the liberal fools call the Modern Hunter an assault rifle
because it looks similar to an AR. Government and police should go after criminals, gun smugglers, and gangs...confiscate their guns and if they won't reform, employ capital punishment and fry them!

that is the disturbing part they are the same except cosmetics. Does that mean they will ban all semi autos??

 

[scout_289]

Thank you, I was trying to find a way to make the same point last night, but ran out of time.

Back in February, some gun orgs met with anti-violence orgs in Toronto.
https://firearmrights.ca/en/meanwhile-lets-work-on-crime-community-lobby-groups/

The Zero Gun Violence Movement was founded by Louis March, and he has been quoted in numerous interviews as saying that banning guns is not the solution.

A cooperative effort between someone like this and a gun org could get it through to the electorate that Trudeau's policies will do nothing to keep them safe, and come up with some solutions that actually would.

Read the article, uplifting to say the least. Fantastic to say the most. It's a good marriage, now all they have to do is fold in a couple of high profile national NGO's like CMHA, Big Brothers / Sisters, Habitat for Humanity to get a real high profile and get enough gunnies behind the movement to hit critical mass. But guess we gotta walk before we can run.

Frankly I'm not surprised that of the three main orgs that the CCFR would be the first to "get it". CSAAA was always a given in my book.

I only wish that this had started 4 years (or more) ago but better late than never.

 

[captainamazing]

 

[CosmiC10R]

CosmiC10R

"So to your point, I still agree that your ideas are the right thing although I don't think we will get the hoped for positive media exposure that we would otherwise gain due to the way media is these days."

I do know that every negative thing that we do or say has the potential to end up in the media so we have little to lose by attempting to be positive.

And we may not have to do much. We're like any other random group in society (which is kinda the point) so I'd wager that among us that when it comes to charitable work there are laggards and there are over achievers. Gathering representative data and expanding it to represent the 2.2 million gun owners in Canada may yield an interesting picture that we could get published and "out there".

And if every media that we approach turns down a good news story then that in itself a story - of discrimination. I'd say we'd get our way if we made a plan and stuck to it.

It will never get covered as discrimination tho...
It will be the right wing extremist label...
Just look at this thread internally within the firearms community.

A two or three prong attack would likely be more effective then some universal policy...

We currently dont have that sway....

 

[medic265]

I see we’ve now just decided to go full-on wing-nut racist in this thread. You morons don’t seem to have any clue...you think normal, intelligent people would come on this forum to share their enthusiasm about firearms, advocate for better gun laws, etc... and react well to this ignorant, racist bull####? You think it reflects well for gun advocates? Talking racist nonsense harms all of us in the gun community and everyone on this thread should be embarrassed by the ignorance shown here.

 

[CosmiC10R]

I see we’ve now just decided to go full-on wing-nut racist in this thread. You morons don’t seem to have any clue...you think normal, intelligent people would come on this forum to share their enthusiasm about firearms, advocate for better gun laws, etc... and react well to this ignorant, racist bull####? You think it reflects well for gun advocates? Talking racist nonsense harms all of us in the gun community and everyone on this thread should be embarrassed by the ignorance shown here.

 

[captainamazing]

I see we’ve now just decided to go full-on wing-nut racist in this thread. You morons don’t seem to have any clue...you think normal, intelligent people would come on this forum to share their enthusiasm about firearms, advocate for better gun laws, etc... and react well to this ignorant, racist bull####? You think it reflects well for gun advocates? Talking racist nonsense harms all of us in the gun community and everyone on this thread should be embarrassed by the ignorance shown here.

Find me one example of racism.

Or are you using "racism" as a blanket term for wanting to preserve my own culture and traditions; something that every other race on this planet does and is applauded for doing.

Welcome to CGN, feel free to #### off.

 

[medic265]

������...you are that ####ing stupid aren’t you?!

Buh Bye!!! ��

 

[captainamazing]

������...you are that ####ing stupid aren’t you?!

Buh Bye!!! ��

Great counter argument.
1. Cant find a single example of racism.
2. Gets pissed off after being asked for an example.
3. Ad hominem attack.
4. Takes ball and goes home.

Im always willing to engage in civil discourse with someone I'm ideologically opposed to but you came out of the gates with insults, labeling everyone a racist. Being called a racist by the left has lost what little sting it ever had to begin with.

 

[Diamondback Six]

Great counter argument.
1. Cant find a single example of racism.
2. Gets pissed off after being asked for an example.
3. Ad hominem attack.
4. Takes ball and goes home.

Im always willing to engage in civil discourse with someone I'm ideologically opposed to but you came out of the gates with insults, labeling everyone a racist. Being called a racist by the left has lost what little sting it ever had to begin with.

Going by his low post count and how Urban Elitists usually have a hair trigger on the Race Card, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the Trollstench is strong in this one...

 

[scout_289]

I see we’ve now just decided to go full-on wing-nut racist in this thread. You morons don’t seem to have any clue...you think normal, intelligent people would come on this forum to share their enthusiasm about firearms, advocate for better gun laws, etc... and react well to this ignorant, racist bull####? You think it reflects well for gun advocates? Talking racist nonsense harms all of us in the gun community and everyone on this thread should be embarrassed by the ignorance shown here.

As someone who was born just after WWII, offspring of immigrant roots and raised in small towns I got my share of discrimination. The label "DP" has a familiar ring.

And being tuned somewhat to how outsiders are treated my experience can be summed up:
- every wave of immigrants has come to Canada to escape persecution and / or to seek a better life.
- being different they got their share of flak
- most hit the ground running, worked hard to make this a better country and asked little in return
- they retained vestiges of their culture and wove it into the fabric of our nation
- they dispersed across the country and settled in rural and urban locales

That contrasts sharply with what I see today:
- the most generous of our welcoming systems are being used against us seemingly with official blessing.
- abuses are being systemically under reported, "successes" are front page news
- there is a general sense that our collective way of life is under siege and is in danger of being replaced entirely, not just tweaked
- foreign experience with attempts to provide sanctuary have been "mixed" with demonstrable harm to their citizens
- moderate tensions created by differences between settled and new is healthy; clashes in core values is not
- the adjustment required to accommodate newcomers comes at a time of unprecedented rates of change in other aspects of daily life. Most times it's really too much.
- our society has become polarized and somewhat dysfunctional for reasons other than immigration. An unhealthy society has difficulty adapting.
- liberalism emphasizes the entitlements of the individual citizen rather than the overall good of the collective. This has been carried to a fault in recent decades.

Opposing views are labelled and summarily attacked instead of underscored and maturely debated. Your post puts wheels under this perception.

 

[scout_289]

It will never get covered as discrimination tho...
It will be the right wing extremist label...
Just look at this thread internally within the firearms community.

A two or three prong attack would likely be more effective then some universal policy...

We currently dont have that sway....

We have our challenges, no doubt. Some of them are of our own making as a result of years cultivating a bad boy image.

So it's important to recognize that a long road lies ahead to change that image and no one universal policy will do it. The strategy that I'm advocating has seven elements that have to be coordinated and used in the right amounts and at the right time so that they complement one another.

An example is doing good things, assembling statistics and backup into a compelling picture and using every media at our disposal to market our contribution. There's three elements in there.

Judging by Post 382 it looks like CSAAA and CCFR are giving it a whirl. It behooves up to give them our full support because to date the old ways have been a demonstrable failure.

 

[Neurotoxic]

We have our challenges, no doubt. Some of them are of our own making as a result of years cultivating a bad boy image.

So it's important to recognize that a long road lies ahead to change that image and no one universal policy will do it. The strategy that I'm advocating has seven elements that have to be coordinated and used in the right amounts and at the right time so that they complement one another.

An example is doing good things, assembling statistics and backup into a compelling picture and using every media at our disposal to market our contribution. There's three elements in there.

Judging by Post 382 it looks like CSAAA and CCFR are giving it a whirl. It behooves up to give them our full support because to date the old ways have been a demonstrable failure.

I like your idea.

I find the current situation is a bit like if the government was going for a full ban of motorcycles across the country because of biker gangs. Just like banning guns because of violent gangs, it makes no ####in sense at all.

But the public accepts it because of that bad boy image both groups project.

The bikers somehow repelled that negative reputation by getting involved in various charities, fundraisers, events, and such. It did work to some extent.

I can see that working for us too.

 

[skatemike77]

So you need countless wage slaves to pay for your CPP and your free healthcare but you don't want immigrants.

You can't address the immigration unless you start breeding above current 1.4 in white population. And to do that you need to kick white woman back to Kinder, Küche, Kirche and remove any decisionmaking on reproduction from her hands.

Yea, that's gonna happen soon, ROFL. Just sit back, relax and watch the western civilization fade away.

No.
>assuming I give a shiit about CPP and socialized healthcare.
>assuming I care about the holy gdp and economy
>assuming we NEED wage slaves.

This post is cancer.

 

[scout_289]

I like your idea.

I find the current situation is a bit like if the government was going for a full ban of motorcycles across the country because of biker gangs. Just like banning guns because of violent gangs, it makes no ####in sense at all.

But the public accepts it because of that bad boy image both groups project.

The bikers somehow repelled that negative reputation by getting involved in various charities, fundraisers, events, and such. It did work to some extent.

I can see that working for us too.

Yup. And the bikers give out presents for kids at Christmas and I suspect there's more than a bit of sincerity behind that PR move.

Corporations have also been wading in to charities and green causes for years now as a way of saying "we care".

Thanks for the endorsement. It's no longer my idea, looks like a couple of competent orgs that represent us have picked up the cause and hopefully can slow down the erosion of our freedoms by resonating on the public's frequency.

They may even gain a few things back over time.

We also now have a vehicle where we can cooperate amongst our community since concern for public safety is universal and not necessarily focused on guns. The USA is also on to this and it appears that their initiative is growing.

Wish us luck, we're going to need it!

 

[celichi]

Couldn’t agree more with you Captain