Fussy rifle, need reassurance

trapoholic said:
5 words but I gotcha! I started using reloder 16 at the advice of another gunnut. Night n day difference compared to H4350. With new Remington brass from the bag (sized and flash holes deburred) I can put them into one hole with the scope on over 55 grains of powder, federal gold medal match 210 primer and hornady 180 grain round nose interlock (got to use em on 2 deer and a bear this year they hit like freight trains) I only use scopes for load development though, after that depending on the gun either peeps or open sights go back on after I k ow what the load is capable of. I can get a 1/4" easily with the peep sights. Interesting thing is, first couple shots from the cold barrel are at times 3/4" from the rest of the group, this normal? It bothers me but I've heard it's a thing a few times. Once it's warmed up I could shoot a box away and make a ragged hole.



Like I said, all the once fired is prepped and ready to be loaded now... I'm just a little apprehensive after the H4350 fiasco to change anything knowing brand knew brass works perfect with R-16 with the recipe I have made up. I've got myself worked up thinkin since it's been fired once all that time, money and work to find "the one" with the new brass will go out the window on it's second loading, know what I mean? Like it's gonna shoot all over hells half acre and send me to the loony bin even though the only thing that's changed is it's been fired, now it's been resized and loaded up for the first time since being fired
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When loading for a hunting rifle, I use a different process than loading match ammo.

I always Full Length size hunting ammo. It has to chamber and extract easily.

I make sure the bullet is at least 30 thou off the rifling. I don't want any risk of a pullet getting stuck in the throat when extracting a loaded round.

And before a hunt, I run all the loaded ammo through the mag and chamber, to make sure it fits 100%.

Learned this the hard way.
 
Your rifle just does not like that powder. No big deal. Switch. The difference between new and once fired can vary, but it just sounds like your rifle and the H4350 are not friends.
 
New brass. The neck springs in, the case capacity is less. Neck tension is more.
Fired brass. The neck springs out, the case capacity is more. Neck tension is less.
But having new brass vs once fired, it would only need a small tweak, not a huge change. If you can chrono your new brass load, and match your FPS with the once fired load. You should be good.
 
bearhunter said:
You seem to have impressive abilities as well as eyesight, along with a very accurate rifle.

Shooting a barrel until it's hot, to determine accuracy is not advised for hunting rifles. Not because your damaging anything but most barrels will change their harmonics with temperature changes.

Same goes for freshly cleaned barrels, most of them don't shoot to point of aim on the first shot from a freshly cleaned barrel. Some require 3-4 fouling shots to settle in.

Once that's happened, the barrel should be allowed to cool to ambient temperatures between shots when sighted in. After all, that will be the condition your rifle will be used under when hunting.
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I don't claim to be a dead eye #### but if you're 160 yards and closer I'm gonna ruin your day. Past that I don't have the confidence in MYSELF you make the shot with my peep sights. I know my gun can do it, just not sure 100% I can.

444shooter said:
I can't even get 1/4" groups with a scoped .30/06. That's incredible shooting...
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If it makes you feel better I pretty much gotta be on my belly with the gun ratchet strapped down to even come close to doin OK with a scope.

Evanguy said:
Well there is only one way to find out. Abd if poi changes that should be easy to fix as long as the groups stay the same size
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As long as it doesn't change the group size I can deal with it. Poi is doable

444shooter said:
Have you actually FL sized the fired brass and tried the load? You don't need to load 20 rounds, just six will do to check. Fire two 3-shot groups and see how it performs. You also mention it seems to like heavier bullets. Have you tried some 180gr Hornady SP? I have used them in various rounds over the years (.30-06, 300 Win, 300 Wby) and have always been very consistent and provided good accuracy.
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They're all sized ready to load. Just gotta do it. I use the round nose interlocks

Ganderite said:
When loading for a hunting rifle, I use a different process than loading match ammo.

I always Full Length size hunting ammo. It has to chamber and extract easily.

I make sure the bullet is at least 30 thou off the rifling. I don't want any risk of a pullet getting stuck in the throat when extracting a loaded round.

And before a hunt, I run all the loaded ammo through the mag and chamber, to make sure it fits 100%.

Learned this the hard way.
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They definitely fit, their bc isn't exactly ballistic tip grade
 
bearhunter said:
You're the one claiming half moa.

As for ruining my day HARDLY

You took offense where none was intended.
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I didn't take offence my post wasn't intended to be ignorant. I just meant 160 yards and in if it's standing there I'll ruin it's day whatever critter it is. I'm a absolutely terrible shooter with a scope, need a rest that pretty much holds the gun for me. I have no doubt whatsoever you shoot better than I do with a scope on (or anybody for that matter) people either misconstrued things to quick or are too used to the bashing on this forum that they take things the wrong way
 
I got what you ment. If it makes you feel any better I have one gun that I am on year 3 of trying to find the right load. I've been through many powder combinations and a few bullet choices. However, thru happen stance I think the gun may have a harmonics problem. I need to dig into this further, but it does not take up all my time. As others have said, sometimes it works and sometimes you have to keep trying. Cheers.
 
Paul M said:
I got what you ment. If it makes you feel any better I have one gun that I am on year 3 of trying to find the right load. I've been through many powder combinations and a few bullet choices. However, thru happen stance I think the gun may have a harmonics problem. I need to dig into this further, but it does not take up all my time. As others have said, sometimes it works and sometimes you have to keep trying. Cheers.
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No worries. Fire some factory core lokts through that rifle... They seem to shoot well out of everything
 
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