my new Sig-Pro 2022 vs my new 229r

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I just took out my two new pistols, range @ 7m

229 shot 100% of 15 into a 8" target.
sp2022 only shot 40% of 15 into the same 8" target.

it looks like the sight needs to be adjusted on the SP2022. Other then that it feels really well built for a Poly, kicks about 25% more then the 229r but i think thats because of reduced weight.


Is it normal for a new pistol to require the sights be adjusted?
should I return it for a diffrent one, or try adjusting the rear site?
 
i cant confirm that the all over the place wasent just me, it did however seem to have a significant amount of them shooting low and left. some even missing the target completely. not so with the 229
 
ohh another thing, ive never owned a sig b4, but these magazines are difficult as hell to load 40sw, chewed up my hands somthing feirce
 
Low and Left is usually jerking the trigger or tightening fingers...have a look at the shooting chart posted a few threads down ( cant figure out how to attach it)!

Id run a bunch more rounds through it, shoot it off a rest, have someone else give it a try, if its got signifigantly more recoil you might just have to get used to it.
 
The problem with the SIG Pro is that it has a worse trigger pull than the P229, which is why I always tell people to only buy them if they are a cop or something like that and the gun is going to be abused. The SIG Pro is more durable but the P220-series guns are better for target shooting.
 
Low and Left is usually jerking the trigger or tightening fingers...have a look at the shooting chart posted a few threads down ( cant figure out how to attach it)!

i looked 4 it cant seem to find it, if you can tell me the name of the post i would like to try looking again.
 
The problem with the SIG Pro is that it has a worse trigger pull than the P229, which is why I always tell people to only buy them if they are a cop or something like that and the gun is going to be abused. The SIG Pro is more durable but the P220-series guns are better for target shooting.

That's funny, I've repeatedly read the opposite. That is, the Sig Pro has a considerably better trigger than the 229R.

In any case, I should have mine some time next week, so I'll be sure to make a review thread with pictures, targets, etc...
 
You want to figure out what is going on with your shooting before you adjust anything on the gun.

Are both guns DA/SA, or is one or both of them DAO or DAK? Shoot in single action until you start to get your shots to group together decently. To hit where you are aiming, probably the most important thing is to try and think of your trigger finger as independent, and able to move independantly, of your strong hand and the way you hold the gun. For target shooting, you want to keep the gun as still as possible and just use enough force with your trigger finger to drop the hammer. Figure this out doing eveything really slowly before trying to get too fancy. All good shooting is built on good trigger control and keeping the gun as steady as possible (given the particular context... in some scearios it is going to be steadier than in others).

I find one thing that a lot of people do at first is grip the gun way too hard with their strong hand. It will be very hard to pull the trigger and have the gun fire (anywhere close to where you are aiming) if you are white-knuckling the gun with your strong hand. The support should be coming from your weak hand. Get your thumbs both pointing down range and support the gun properly. This is how 90%-plus percent of people hold autoloaders:
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Try and get high up on the gun. It's easier to control that way. You can see in this photo, even though the gun is recoiling it is still basically flat and on target. Don't try and keep the gun from moving when you shoot though. This will just cause you to develop bad flinches and push the gun down before shooting. By the time you feel the recoil the bullet is long gone. That is why triggers are key to accuracy, but grip and body position are key to follow-up shots.
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People with really small hands, like my girlfriend, can shoot a bit more like this, but I still recommend trying to get as high up as possible
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Before you adjust the sights, try this. If you are shooting high, do this:
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If you are shooting really low, try this:
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If this works then the position of the sights might have something to do with it - and you should be able to figure out roughly what changes need to be made. If it is still all over the place then you just need to work on your technique.

At the range you are shooting at you should be able to get small groups with these guns. I'm not bragging here - there are plenty of people that can do better (and particularly... just as good at a lot faster speeds) - but this is an example of the kind of groups I can get with my 229 in 9mm. This is 10 shots into an inch and a half centre-to-centre. 40 Smith is harder to get good with, but the difference between the two is not that extreme. Give yourself 6 months of practice and you will see a world of difference.
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ohh another thing, ive never owned a sig b4, but these magazines are difficult as hell to load 40sw, chewed up my hands somthing feirce

I can confirm that with a P229 in 9mm, the last round is pretty tough to get in. I usually use a GLOCK speed loader to put in the last round or two. It can be done without any tools obviously, but it's sort of like why bartenders use a bottle opener instead of using the twist cap on beer bottles - it's the repetition that kills ya. Get a GLOCK speed loader or something similar. You should be able to find one if you ask for it in the Exchange or maybe on Ebay. GLOCK speed loader from a 9mm or .40S&W will fit over your SIG mags.
 
I can confirm that with a P229 in 9mm, the last round is pretty tough to get in.

I can confirm this. I just got a P229 CPO. The last round is very difficult to load. And, some brands seem worse than others. I can get 10 Winchesters in without too much trouble, but 10 rounds of Fiocci? Forget it. I haven't taken the time to figure out why, though.
 
i will try again, ghosti - thanks for the pictures, umm that range looks familiar. poco right? i am gonna try again today. just to confirm the front sight must be totaly square to the rear, is this still tru @ 7m. first thing i need to do is get my eyes checked. i know they are bad, left is near-sighted,right is far-sighted. really hard to focus on front sight.
 
Yep that is PoCo. If you are shooting there, and Colin is working, ask him to watch you shoot and make some suggestions. He can help shooters of pretty much any ability level get better. He has certainly helped me with pistol shooting over the years.

By "totally square" do you mean "the top of the front sight is totally level with the top of the rear sight"? No, don't keep doing this if you are not hitting where you want to. Try and move the front sight "above" the rear sight (like in my drawings) if you are shooting low. At least this way you will get an idea whether sight picture has anything to do with your results. If it works, you can change the sights later.

The ideal is to have the sights line up perfectly flat across the top when the gun is brought to eye level (by the particular person who is doing the most shooting with that gun), but this doesn't always happen "right out of the box". Everybody is a little bit different. Hence the huge aftermarket sight industry in the U.S. and elsewhere.

As mentioned above, watching some of those videos on YouTube is probably a good idea. You can get some good stuff on DVD or VHS too, but these days you can get the same stuff for free.
 
Don't change/adjust any sights until you are positive the sights are off. Both guns are more accurate than you are. Most new shooters need lots of work and hope their sights are just off (it's always easy to blame the gun). Get lots of practice after you get some good instruction. Hangun shooting is much like golf. Lots of practice with poor technique woun't make you one bit better.

With the SigPro, try both backstraps to see which one works better for you.

If these are your first Sigs, remember Sig sights are meant to be used with a combat hold (front sight completely covers your aiming point).
 
thing is with my 229r i shot like a pro, then with the sp2022 it was all over. i gave it to the range guy to try out 5 years exp. He shot 5 and said, "ohh" looks at the sights. then he says it lookes like its been adjusted b4, as the Nutron finish is a little worn off in the sight channel. BTW his shots were all over the place too. ohh well, i will try again and if its totally off i may try exchange 4 another
 
I just shot my new Sig 2022 in 40 this weekend too, also brought my 9mm 226, and my friend brought the 229R in 9. I find the Pro's trigger to be excellent. DA is tough to get used too though. Accuracy, same as you cellfish, low and left. However, from the bench it was dead on and that @ 25m. Consensus, I need to work on my trigger pull. Gun shoots great, I don't. ;)
 
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