Where is this headed?
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Scarheart
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To those that are providing references to statistical facts etc. and think that approach will work (my apologies to the new guy who asked) this IS what we have been doing and we have seen the media and ministers lying through their teeth. The number of people I encounter now who are appalled that they think we don't need a gun license to buy a gun now is just a huge illustration of how successful the anti media blitz has been. Mr. Blair was even directly confronted about some of his demonstrably knowing lies and he simply ended the interview and immediately thereafter gave a speech where he repeated the same lies. These type of people absolutely have no concern for the truth or any rights you may feel you have.
Talking with the more average person on the street as it were is more nuanced. But for the most part too many have bought the media trope that guns cause violence etc and they don't care to listen let alone consider changing what they now think of as their opinion. The trouble is we are left with few options and violence doesn't work either because you just reinforce the narrative the media is spewing. So we need a different approach. Other than all the orgs unifying I have no clue unfortunately.
Talking with the more average person on the street as it were is more nuanced. But for the most part too many have bought the media trope that guns cause violence etc and they don't care to listen let alone consider changing what they now think of as their opinion. The trouble is we are left with few options and violence doesn't work either because you just reinforce the narrative the media is spewing. So we need a different approach. Other than all the orgs unifying I have no clue unfortunately.
You're right Scarheart. We are living in the "post-truth era".
I had a chance to speak with Andrew Scheer before the election. We talked about this. We both agreed that it isn't enough to be both factually right and morally right. You have to win people over with emotions too.
I had a chance to speak with Andrew Scheer before the election. We talked about this. We both agreed that it isn't enough to be both factually right and morally right. You have to win people over with emotions too.
RobbieLaidlaw
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Peaceful non-compliance gentlemen.
Forester1986
Member
And just hope you aren’t picked off by law enforcement and shoved into the legal system? The same system that is actively shifting the rules from under our feet? Not trying to be confrontational, but why do we think that peaceful non-compliance is going to do anything other than whittle the firearms community down until nothing is left. The reality is there are no real negative consequences to the liberals or the majority of Canadians, by them banning firearms. The Americans didn’t win the war of independence by just hiding, they came to a fork in the road, and everyone took a path. I am in no way advocating for “revolution” either, I’m just not seeing where there is a win in peaceful non-compliance. I don’t think there is a clear “winning option” anywhere to be honest, and no matter what, the firearms community has much more to lose than anyone else regarding this matter. Trust me, I am as devastated by our current predicament as much as the next guy.
The only proper response to confiscation is unpalatable to Canadian firearm owners who would rather complain about the changes rather than do anything meaningful about it.
Just look at all the Boomers in the past generations who let bills C-150, C-17, and C-68 go through while doing #### all of note.
Just look at all the Boomers in the past generations who let bills C-150, C-17, and C-68 go through while doing #### all of note.
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ted_dent
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Not trying to pass the buck but there must be hundreds of gun dealers in Canada employing thousands of people, the vast majority of whom will be severely impacted by this. If Trudeau has time to sit down with that little Swedish twit and listen to her drivel he can sure as hell sit down with Canadian businessmen who his government is about to screw out of millions of dollars and thousands of jobs.
I suggest the dealers get their collective butts in gear and start demanding meetings with PM Numbnuts and minister Bliar. CSAAA should be moving on this right now.
Please read the entire post and you will understand my mention of pot and kettled. (Kettled is an actual word and means confining demonstrators to a small area.) If any of you watched the throne speech or saw the photos of Justin "BLACK FACE" and Julie (space cadet, space time continuum) looking up with that look you will know why Justin legalized pot. They might not have been high but who knows. Also think of this, Billy boy was shut out of J's cabinet at first and then appointed to be minister of some BS. I personally believe that it was payoff for swallowing the turd that was legalized pot. Billy boy could not have been happy with that. Now Billy is even more powerful. He is Justin's "boy" in charge of disarming Canadians. Billy boy had no reservations about violating peaceful demonstrators rights years ago when he was Toronto police chief. He kettled people in the rain for hours. It does not matter if you believe carding also carried out under Billy is justified or not, this country is not China or Soviet Russia. You want to talk about a slippery slope. Now for the finale. Justin Blackface POT head has now sent Billy the "KETTLER" to set the stage for one of the largest property grabs in Canadian history. In case you missed it the old saying "The pot calling the kettle black". In this case the"BLACK FACE" pot head sending the KETTLER to do the actual (black) dirty work.
We have talked about police states.
WHAT DO YOU NEED FOR A POLICE STATE TO EXIST?
First a government and ministers that care not for any citizens rights. Billy the Kettler. If you want carding come right out and call it what it is, a violation of our rights.
Complicity of the enforcement arm of the government. Police and Military. RCMP now making rules only elected persons should make.
During the FED UP rallies years ago the government ordered the RCMP to place snipers around parliament. The RCMP stopped busloads of people and refused to allow some to proceed.
The inability or unwillingness of the "PEOPLE" to stand up to the wrongs perpetrated by the above.
The last on the list is the most important.
My last point. If we stand up to "BLACKFACE and the KETTLER" and their lackeys as we should. We will suffer under the full weight of the law. There will be no quarter given to us by them.
We have talked about police states.
WHAT DO YOU NEED FOR A POLICE STATE TO EXIST?
First a government and ministers that care not for any citizens rights. Billy the Kettler. If you want carding come right out and call it what it is, a violation of our rights.
Complicity of the enforcement arm of the government. Police and Military. RCMP now making rules only elected persons should make.
During the FED UP rallies years ago the government ordered the RCMP to place snipers around parliament. The RCMP stopped busloads of people and refused to allow some to proceed.
The inability or unwillingness of the "PEOPLE" to stand up to the wrongs perpetrated by the above.
The last on the list is the most important.
My last point. If we stand up to "BLACKFACE and the KETTLER" and their lackeys as we should. We will suffer under the full weight of the law. There will be no quarter given to us by them.
^^^^Pumpjack
Yup. Trudeau has shown no evidence that he's actually serious about crime. He isn't taking steps to take the guns out of the hands of criminals, or toughen sentencing if guns are used in crimes.
Even the chief of police in Toronto is flagging the revolving door policies on Twitter - with people out on bail for gun offences getting caught committing new gun crimes less than 48 hours later. The CSSA recidivist list for November alone was about 50 names long.
So, it's not about crime... And if it's not about crime, it's got to be about something else.
Yup. Trudeau has shown no evidence that he's actually serious about crime. He isn't taking steps to take the guns out of the hands of criminals, or toughen sentencing if guns are used in crimes.
Even the chief of police in Toronto is flagging the revolving door policies on Twitter - with people out on bail for gun offences getting caught committing new gun crimes less than 48 hours later. The CSSA recidivist list for November alone was about 50 names long.
So, it's not about crime... And if it's not about crime, it's got to be about something else.
Tazewell County Virginia Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws
https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/tazewell-county-militia-response-virginia-gun-laws/370026
I am hearing reports of many ex military getting involved and organized in Virginia.
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Lee3444
Member
This makes the most sense especially for stores that are centered around ARs and other modern sporting type rifles, pumping up numbers like crazy right now at cost is the only way to protect their business in the long run
Patt08
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Sylvertiger
CGN Regular
Or we can treat the firearm laws like marijuana pre-legalization...
I like your idea. After all our BLACKFACE PM flouted those laws for years. Wonder how he will get into the US after he is no longer our "Embarrassment on the National and International Stage".
I hate to be fatalist but I have a growing concern that there are going to be more popular firearms on the chopping block then the AR15. M14 variants come to mind and combat style shotguns, regardless of being a Remington 870 mundane variant. It will be barrel length and buttstock size or lack of. Pistols will soon follow. I see a great purge by the Liberal government, this is just the beginning. All governments want to disarm its citizens, regardless if it is only a single shot .22 or a AR15 type firearm. Nazi Germany comes to mind and I am sure there are more examples. On a different note, that MP who is the Safety Minister, the one who looks like he has been a wino most of his life. Any way he is setting the tone already. Not calling firearms as such or gums. No he goes right for the jugular and spouts WEAPONS, like he is a virgin about to yell rape. We can only hope we can come together and try and advert this. Or perhaps, the Conservatives will try. Very sad day for law abiding Canadian citizens to have there personal property taken at the whim of a spoiled, rich, ahole and his cronies.
Not to be a conspiracy theorist but I agree with many other posters here. I think something larger is behind this.
Regardless I do believe we need to try and fight whatever bans/confiscations they ram through.
Never before have I ever felt so discriminated against by a government. No country for old men I guess.
Regardless I do believe we need to try and fight whatever bans/confiscations they ram through.
Never before have I ever felt so discriminated against by a government. No country for old men I guess.
How this post is helping with anything in our situation now ???
They are going to regret this. They now know that these firearms are locked up in houses of responsible owners. Once the ban comes in I suspect that a lot of these firearms will go missing and will be stored in less than desirable locations. Making them more vulnerable to theft. Do they really think a vast majority of firearms owners are going to surrender their firearms knowing the next government could just repeal the ban. Look at the Swiss Arms and 858 owners. They were legal, then banned and the legal again and now grandfathered if C71 goes thru or maybe banned depending on what Blair decides. Could you imagine surrendering your $3000 Swiss Arms when they were banned the first time only to have the PC's repeal it. You would be out a fortune. So they confiscate your lower and give you what ever. What about your uppers , optics , mags and ammo. What about all the business who are going to suffer. I think Blair is going to be in for a shock when gun owners just ignore his ban
