FINALLY! M&p9 Aftermarket Magazine Bases

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Hey guys,

I'm a long time M&P shooter and love their aftermarket parts like the apex trigger and such . One of the big downsizes though were their plastic mag bases. This stopped all possibilities of buying aftermarket bases or even using a magwell. (even the so called aftermarket mag bases that claim they work with magwells don't, found that out the hard way)
So I ended up designing my own mag bases with a couple of unique features, but they were only 3D printed. There was alot of interest so I ended up partnering up with LOCKHART TACTICAL and together we came up with an amazing product that I think most M&P owners will love.
I won't go into details about them. all of the details and features are in the description.

But if any of you have questions or comments about them or looking to purchase. Feel free to send me a PM
Without further adue
https://www.lockharttactical.com/recent/product/8625934-lockhart-tactical-m-p-9-40-10-round-magazine-competition-base/category_pathway-2
 
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Yes, there are plans to make a magwell, as you can tell from the base itself. Lockhart tactical likes their products to not only have performance, but style as well. there currently is a magwell that was suggested above. I personally have one of those and they have no style at all and Iwill be using the new one once it's produced. It may not help in my shooting skills, but Atleast I'll look good doing it ��. Lol

It was actually The springer precision magwell that caused me to design the new mag base. Since there was no other option available for mag bases, I actually couldn't use my magwell until I designed my own.
 
If the magazine with your mag base makes the total mag weigh more than 1oz. heavier than the factory magazine it won't be legal for IDPA. Your mag base weighs 2.8oz.

You might want to weigh a factory 10 rd mag vs a 10rd mag with your base on it. If it is over you should amend your description as the mag base will not be IDPA compatible. Rule 8.2.1.2 R

NOTE: After checking the weights

The difference in weight between this mag base and the plastic factory base is 2.1oz therefore the mag base would add to much weight to the mag to be legal for IDPA.

Take Care

Bob
 
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Bob is correct . ( Although it is actually Rule 8.2.1.2 R ) .

However it may be worth noting that running the ESP ( Enhanced Serivice Pistol Division ) adds another 1/2 ounce to the equation . Rule 8.2.2.2 EE . In that category your modified mag bases may be 1.5 oz heavier than the same capacity factory magazine.

Either way it looks like there will be a challenging amount of weight to be trimmed from the design in order to use / advertise them as being IDPA compatable.

Maybe someone familiar with IPSC equipment rules could weigh in on the subject. Hopefully you are good to go there as there are more IPSC shooters than IDPA I would imagine.
 
trailskinpat thanks I'll amend the rule. The 1.5oz limitation also extends to CDP and CCP Divisions. The various rules are laid on on the iDPA Canada website under Equipment Discussions.

The late Ken Soucie was of the opinion that added weight to the mag could work against the shooter in that it adds weight to the mag release which may actually slow the mags departure. The speed of which the mag falls is controlled for the most part by Mr. Newton and his laws. I would think the biggest advantage is the fact the aluminum base pads are less susceptible to breakage. That said I have some M&P mags that are over 11 years old and have not broken yet.

Take Care
Bob
 
That’s a good point re the added weight and mag release mechanics...it’s such a fine line in these semi-auto polymer wonders. The appeal I see to the mag bases is the added real estate offered up during the groping procedure known as a high speed mag change.

I hope our fellow CGNers here sylencer and Lockhart are able to tune the design. Sounds popular among the M&P users. Always good to support innovators from right here in our own back yard.
 
Sorry for the delays everyone, I thought I had notifications turned on this thread and am only now realizing it is not.

So it is correct that it isn't IDPA compatible. The design met the IDPA size limitations but not the weight.
That being said, the initial idea behind the design was that the stock magazines do not fit in an M&P with a mag well. As well, the indexing of the mag is what allowed for a more consistent grip regardless of where it is on the body. Anyways, there are photos posted on Lockhart Tacticals page for those who have asked. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
 
sylencer said:
Sorry for the delays everyone, I thought I had notifications turned on this thread and am only now realizing it is not.

So it is correct that it isn't IDPA compatible. The design met the IDPA size limitations but not the weight.
That being said, the initial idea behind the design was that the stock magazines do not fit in an M&P with a mag well. As well, the indexing of the mag is what allowed for a more consistent grip regardless of where it is on the body. Anyways, there are photos posted on Lockhart Tacticals page for those who have asked. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
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Lockhart should amend their website to relflect the fact the extensions are not IDPA legal.

Take Care

Bob
 
I'd like to find a basepad that - with just a simple part swap - would allow an M&P9 to fit into the CCP box.

A part like that would sell well, I think.
 
Wendell said:
I'd like to find a basepad that - with just a simple part swap - would allow an M&P9 to fit into the CCP box.

A part like that would sell well, I think.
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The grip is to large Wendell. There is a better solution. Join me in writing a letter to S&W. All they have to do is take the frame of their Gen2 compact version of their M&P and mount the FS 4.25" slide on it. They could call it the "Canadian" version. Go one step further and etch a Maple leaf on it and it would sell up here instantly. It would make CCP Division AND be the same size as the Glock 19 without the snout.

I have phoned them and written as well. Another letter might be the ticket.

Take Care

Bob
 
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The grip is to large Wendell. There is a better solution. Join me in writing a letter to S&W. All they have to do is take the frame of their Gen2 compact version of their M&P and mount the FS 4.25" slide on it. They could call it the "Canadian" version. Go one step further and etch a Maple leaf on it and it would sell up here instantly. It would make CCP Division AND be the same size as the Glock 19 without the snout.

I have phoned them and written as well. Another letter might be the ticket.

Take Care

Bob
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Ive got one of my m&p set up for ccp, all it takes is sanding down the base pad on the 10 rd mags about 3/16” and it fits no problem. Yes i am using the plexiglass idpa supplied box with the right spacers.

If i knew how to post pics off my iphone id share it. I can send it either of you if you like too.

Cheers Jay
 
Hi Jay

How much do the extensions weigh? With the picture on your phone click on the share symbol and send it to my email address. Are you talking about the M&P 9MM FS gun?

MY M&P FS height is 5.4" with a regular mag in it which means I would need to lose .025" off of the regular mag and use medium/small grips to get the gun to meet CCP measurements. The large grips mag the gun to wide. The Gen2 is 7.9" long, I calipers are to short to measure my Gen1 length. Max length for CCP Division is 7 3/4".
Just got off the phone whit Jay. Sure enough taking a bit off the factory mag base and using the medium/small grips gets the M&P FS Gen 1 into CCP Division. Jay just saved me a grand for a new gun. Thanks pardner!

Take Care

Bob
 
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