Lazer Arms 28 guage

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Picked up one of these Lazer Arms 28 gauge singles with a 20 inch barrel for my wife. She just completed her first grouse season and was plugging away with a 410 single shot so I decided to get her something a little bigger. She does not like the 20 gauge so for the price point I thought this was worth a shot and ordered one up from Top Gun Tactical in Barrie Ontario. Nice and light and handy for her as she is pretty small although I may fill the stock with spray foam to help with any recoil. Everything is pretty stiff so I will have to tear it down and give it a good cleaning and lube. Quality seems typical for Turkish guns but the trigger is VERY heavy so some trigger work may be explored as well as a replacement fiber optic front sight. Anyone have any input on these little guys?
 
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My son has a LazerArms in 20 ga. I also think the trigger is a bit too stiff. The trigger is non adjustable. IMHO, the sear is too positive. This adds to trigger pull. I think that a bit of sear fine tuning could cut the pull in half and reduce the incredible amount of creep as well.

My next step would be to have the hammer spring lightened. I'm getting pierced primers and I'm thinking the hammer is striking too hard. Lightening this will also reduce trigger pull.

Of course, all this is just my opinion of how the factory should have built it, and I am not suggesting that any off this is a DIY procedure.

Positive sear: A term I made up. Explained thusly; Pulling the trigger also pulls back the trigger somewhat. Not as much as with shooting a revolver double action, but more like how a Mosin rifle trigger works like.
 
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Thanks for the input Nitro, looking forward to a range session to try out the choke tubes and see how it patterns for her bird hunting next year.
 
Was going to ask about the choke... sounds like it has tubes? which is good. You'll probably want to go with full or (maybe) modified for sitting birds. I find that most of the short-barreled 'coach guns' often have open choke, which is bad for stationary birds at any distance. Found that out the hard way when I took the wife's .410 double-barrel coach gun on a grouse walk this fall. Useless beyond 10 yards.
 
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Was going to ask about the choke... sounds like it has tubes? which is good. You'll probably want to go with full or (maybe) modified for sitting birds. I find that most of the short-barreled 'coach guns' often have open choke, which is bad for stationary birds at any distance. Found that out the hard way when I took the wife's .410 double-barrel coach gun on a grouse walk this fall. Useless beyond 10 yards.
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Just wondering BGB what the choke of the .410 was?

Its funny in that, I have found the skeet choked 28 gauge guns to be better than improved cylinder choked 28 gauge guns at a distance.No idea why,but from my own experience it has been true.For myself ,I much prefer a modified for field use in the 28 gauge ,with the full choke being my second choice .Just my opinion.
 
Just had a look, and there are no obvious markings. I didn't do any standardised test with a 30" circle, but I did take a couple shots at a blank sheet of paper and there was a huge spread. Maybe cylinder? or IC? Earlier in the season I took the gun for a walk and fired at two separate but stationary birds. One at 20 yards I totally missed, and the other at 15 yards I wounded. It's been years since I wounded a grouse and I wasn't happy. It's not what the gun was made for; I should have known better.

With the 28 gauge, I have a couple SxS with fixed chokes that I don't shoot much and the others have screw-in choke tubes. I switch them around depending on conditions & quarry.. but in most cases I use IC & Mod.
 
Interesting BGB that you have good results with improved cylinder chokes in your 28 gauge guns.At what distance do you get the good results with and what weight shot and pellet size do you use?Could never seem to do much with that choke in a 28 gauge gun myself.Perhaps I should try a smaller shot size and or closer range.:)
 
My SxS 28 gauge is choked IC/IM and out to about 25-30 yards, the IC works quite well on sharptails, Huns and pheasants using #6 Fiocchi Golden Pheasant. The IM adds another 10yards or so.
 
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Interesting BGB that you have good results with improved cylinder chokes in your 28 gauge guns.At what distance do you get the good results with and what weight shot and pellet size do you use?Could never seem to do much with that choke in a 28 gauge gun myself.Perhaps I should try a smaller shot size and or closer range.:)
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Pretty much what Stubblejumper said... I use a variety of ammo & shot sizes depending on quarry, but for close-in shots (5-25) yards, IC seems to work fine. It's pretty rare that I'll switch chokes to M/F or IM/F. More often that I'll use C/IC or Sk/IC in super thick cover where shots won't ever be more than 25 yards.
 
Myself I find modified choke in the 28 gauge does just about everything I need for hares and grouse in the boreal forest #6 shot.
However the 410 is most useful at a full choke only.
I have found my longest poke with it about 32 yards, #7.5 shot.
 
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Pretty much what Stubblejumper said... I use a variety of ammo & shot sizes depending on quarry, but for close-in shots (5-25) yards, IC seems to work fine. It's pretty rare that I'll switch chokes to M/F or IM/F. More often that I'll use C/IC or Sk/IC in super thick cover where shots won't ever be more than 25 yards.
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Interesting that you and SJ seem to have so much luck with the improved cylinder in the 28 gauge.Been using 3/4 ounce number 6 and not having a lot of luck with it .Only 169 pellets so it spreads thin quite fast.I know the one ounce load helps to sweeten the load,so next year I will try using it and 7 1/2 shot in the IC.
 
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Interesting that you and SJ seem to have so much luck with the improved cylinder in the 28 gauge.Been using 3/4 ounce number 6 and not having a lot of luck with it .Only 169 pellets so it spreads thin quite fast.I know the one ounce load helps to sweeten the load,so next year I will try using it and 7 1/2 shot in the IC.
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I initially tried the Winchester 1 ounce load and patterns were not even at all, the 3/4 and 7/8 ounce loads were much more consistent. As well the nickel plated shot penetrates noticeably better, so I use a shot size smaller to increase the pattern density. I have used #7-1/2 Golden Pheasant with good results, but I generally use #6 for everything.
 
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I initially tried the Winchester 1 ounce load and patterns were not even at all, the 3/4 and 7/8 ounce loads were much more consistent. As well the nickel plated shot penetrates noticeably better, so I use a shot size smaller to increase the pattern density. I have used #7-1/2 Golden Pheasant with good results, but I generally use #6 for everything.
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No luck at all with number 6 in the IC 28 gauge choke.Used them in a Franchi 48 AL with a fixed IC choke and also in the right barrel of a Winchester Model 23.Have patterned 1 ounce Winchester loads in other chokes and all did well.The best pattern in a 28 gauge I ever obtained ,was in a Remington Model 11-48 skeet gun,using Remington Express 7 1/2 loads.

Have some 28 gauge Golden Pheasant,but have never used it.

I too prefer number 6,but just cannot get it to work well in the more open 28 gauge chokes using the 3/4 ounce load.
 
badgreenbird said:
Was going to ask about the choke... sounds like it has tubes? which is good. You'll probably want to go with full or (maybe) modified for sitting birds. I find that most of the short-barreled 'coach guns' often have open choke, which is bad for stationary birds at any distance. Found that out the hard way when I took the wife's .410 double-barrel coach gun on a grouse walk this fall. Useless beyond 10 yards.
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Yes it comes with a bunch of choke tubes but not really marked as to what each is. I will have to pattern them at the range and figure out which is which and which one patterns best with 7.5's.
 
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No luck at all with number 6 in the IC 28 gauge choke.Used them in a Franchi 48 AL with a fixed IC choke and also in the right barrel of a Winchester Model 23.Have patterned 1 ounce Winchester loads in other chokes and all did well.The best pattern in a 28 gauge I ever obtained ,was in a Remington Model 11-48 skeet gun,using Remington Express 7 1/2 loads.

Have some 28 gauge Golden Pheasant,but have never used it.

I too prefer number 6,but just cannot get it to work well in the more open 28 gauge chokes using the 3/4 ounce load.
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I have killed well over 200 pheasants plus sharptails and Huns with the 28 gauge, and most were killed with the IC choke and the #6 Golden Pheasant loads. I hunt over pointing dogs so most of my shots are in the 15-30 yard range. A friend of mine actually uses a 410 SxS when he hunts with me but when hunting over his flushing dog. he uses his 20 gauge.
 
Do not use dogs myself.Also very few to no pheasants in my area.Only few pheasants ,are ones that someone let go and they usually do not survive the winter.
 
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Yes it comes with a bunch of choke tubes but not really marked as to what each is. I will have to pattern them at the range and figure out which is which and which one patterns best with 7.5's.
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if there are small notches on the end of the tubes, more notches indicates more open choke (typically ranging from 0 to 5 from what I recall...but could be slightly off).
 
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