BCL102 Mk7 vs Stag 10 Lev 2

SuperDeadlyAccountant said:
Probably didn't help that the gun frickin fell off the table after a gust of wind came through. Looks like the old stock (not the A2) and scope sunshade took most of the impact.
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Relax, I'm on you side..... pretty good shooting considering.
The smile was because at the end of the day this sub discussion around your post....is not that important.
 
jonyork said:
Hi Folks,

Looking to purchase an ar10 of sorts to compliment my M14. Not looking to blow a pile of money, to my knowledge it's mainly the BCL102 and Stag 10 that are contenders.

From what I can tell, the BCL has gone through hell and back and is upgraded in it's Mk7 form. The Stag I guess also had a upgrade to the Lev 2?

So,

1 - has the Mk7 fixed the issues with BCL102 in the past?
2 - Is the $5-700 dollar difference still as significant as it used to be? Or should I just take that 5-700$ difference and put it towards optics?

Thanks!
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To answer your question, yes, it's worth the extra money to get the stag. Warranty alone is worth the money.
In the end, AR-10s are ideal "do it all" rifles. Plink with surplus, and you can hunt with the same rifle. But that thinking only works as long as the rifle goes bang. For a universal, often used rifle, I prefer invest in one gun and get it right the first time.

If you don't mind a bit of weight, go with stock stag 10. Otherwise build one like many on here have done.
 
SuperDeadlyAccountant said:
I have a BCL102 MK7 ... I'm really liking it so far. Haven't had any stoppages and it's very accurate out of the box. I replaced the trigger with a Triggertech adaptive because ... Well ... I had it so why not. Also changed the bolt catch and mag release for leftie-friendly setup, and added an A2 stock because I prefer the look and it doesn't wobble like Magpul MOE stock.

I have noticed that it's over-gassed a little so it's swiping the head with the extractor but it's getting less so over usage. Part of the break in I guess.



Only at 50yds, but grouping is 3/4" (ignoring the flyers) with just a bipod and me w/ Federal Power Stok 180gr 308win.
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Who makes that stock? I like that it looks more black then grey!!!
 
Stag seems to be 2 -2.5 MOA rifle, and that's not a bad thing. 2.25" at 100 yds is repeatable with mine with ammo it likes. AS for measuring groups I count every shot every time. Once you start cherry picking you're only fooling yourself and some poor newbie who reads it and doesn't know better yet.

I am a big fan of the Stag 10. The single greatest upgrade for accuracy would be a better trigger imo.
 
I'm hitting 1.5 and ALWAYS get a flyer on the 5th shot which increases to 2.5 moa.

If I only counted first 4 shots it is 1.5 moa.
Mine loves Barnes ttsx 168s.

2.5-3.5 using hirt and norinco copper washed.
Which, in itself, is pretty sweet considering price of surplus.

All stock except 2 stage trigger, bipod, and Nikon p-308 glass.
 
So it's a 5-shot 2.5 MOA rifle, or a 4 shot 1.5 MOA rifle. That may or may not matter depending what you're doing with the rifle; if it's a hunting rifle then you probably shoot 2 or 3 rds at a big target at 100 yds or less and a 3 or4 shot group starting with a cold barrel is practical for you and no need to explore it further. 99% of hunting rifles fall into that category.

If the rifle is used in a discipline where more shots are fired, then you need to know what happens after the 5th shot - does the rifle now sart to shoot consistent groupings at the new POI? Or does it continue to shift the more you shoot? Good stuff to know some times.

If you notice the 5th shot is a flier EVERY time then it's not a "flier" in the original definition - it's a true representation of that rifle's accuracy. "Fliers" are usually when the shooter he screwed up, not the rifle.
 
commandac said:
I'm hitting 1.5 and ALWAYS get a flyer on the 5th shot which increases to 2.5 moa.

If I only counted first 4 shots it is 1.5 moa.
Mine loves Barnes ttsx 168s.

2.5-3.5 using hirt and norinco copper washed.
Which, in itself, is pretty sweet considering price of surplus.

All stock except 2 stage trigger, bipod, and Nikon p-308 glass.
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Mine's like that too. 5th round was always the flier. Not sure if it was psychological or the warm barrel threw it off but it was consistent.
 
SuperDeadlyAccountant said:
Mine's like that too. 5th round was always the flier. Not sure if it was psychological or the warm barrel threw it off but it was consistent.
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I can reproduce it with two follow-up magazines.
I thought it was psychological as well, and thought maybe warm barrel, but the stock barrel is pretty heavy.

I am thinking it is something with the magazine that is effecting bullet tip when loading the last round. Not enough pressure from the magazine spring maybe?
 
Personally I don't mind... And I do count the rifle as a 1.5 moa rifle because I use it against moose, not helicopters.

When hunting, a 5th shot is usually a hail Mary anyways, which, we shouldn't ever do.
 
commandac said:
Personally I don't mind... And I do count the rifle as a 1.5 moa rifle because I use it against moose, not helicopters.

When hunting, a 5th shot is usually a hail Mary anyways, which, we shouldn't ever do.
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?? Moose or helicopter about the same size, I guess.
 
LOL... I meant, if it's not going down in 4 shots, I'm planning on just going home.

Repeated shots is not a requirement. I go through 50 rounds or so in am hour for plinking / practice but when it really counts, I only need the 4. Not planning on fighting any wars / self defense, etc.
 
After a long history of being garbage I don't understand why guys think NEA/BCL is ever going to just get it together all of a sudden. The Stag is always the right choice and BCL will never be a good decision. Maybe you'll be one of the lucky ones but odds are you won't
 
SuperDeadlyAccountant said:
Mine's like that too. 5th round was always the flier. Not sure if it was psychological or the warm barrel threw it off but it was consistent.
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Try a 10rd mag and load 6 rds and fire 5. If it is tied to the bolt locking open, shot 5 will go where you expect with shot 6 in the chamber. I have seen this numerous times and am experimenting to see what may be the cause or better... a solution.

I have put a bunch of info on a post in the B&G precision rifles forum. You might want to consider handloading and an adjustable gas block

wrt to accuracy, I am currently playing with an early BCL (gen 2 I think). Seems to be working very well for me accuracy wise... sorting out the functioning bugs and feel I am almost there.

Pics and info from others who have modified their BCLs to shoot itty bitty groups. They can be made to work very well. I have played with the STAGs and they performed very well too. Pick whatever you prefer, sort out the gremlins that might affect each platform.

If you want to really up the accuracy potential, give me a shout and we can discuss a new match barrel.

Jerry
 
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