REMINGTON 700 - One of the Best All Around Rifles?

chuck nelson said:
So what makes the Remington 700 one of the greatest all around rifles?
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A couple of big reasons... that will remain forever... they make it one of the greatest...

the safest and strongest 2 locking lug bolt action ever made... and usually more accurate than other mass produced rifles. 700's set a new standard of accuracy for a mass produced rifle the day they hit the market.
 
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double gun said:
+ they are plentiful, many different models available, unlimited aftermarket goodies available if you want to customize.
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Yup. And they've offered quite a few LH options over the years.

I like the M700, but hold no illusions about it's shortcomings. Owned a few over the years and have had to replace broken extractors, one trigger go haywire, and several with poor primary extraction. Still own a couple- both some of my most shot rifles- but in reality there isn't much left stock on them...
 
chuck nelson said:
No Pre 64’s for me. I’m left handed and prefer left handed rifles.
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Too funny. I am left handed also but that makes no difference. I still own pre 64 rights and they are fine on the left side
You are here bragging how great the Winchester model 70 is and you don't even own one example of the best model 70 they ever made IMO and many others
Should try one some day if the post models impresses you so much. The pre 64 will blow your mind :)
I am going to go out on a limb here and bet your post guns are after 2006 so not even winchester New Haven, CT made
And you are telling us how poor a model 700 is . PLEASE. This old guy knows different and it wasn't the internet I got my experience from
My old man who was a gunsmith always said if I was going to start quacking I best make sure I earned my tail feathers first
Enjoyed the conversation however
Take care
 
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3macs1 said:
Too funny. I am left handed also but that makes no difference. I still own pre 64 rights and they are fine on the left side
You are here bragging how great the Winchester model 70 is and you don't even own one example of the best model 70 they ever made IMO and many others
Should try one some day if the post models impresses you so much. The pre 64 will blow your mind :)
I am going to go out on a limb here and bet your post guns are after 2006 so not even winchester New Haven, CT made
And you are telling us how poor a model 700 is . PLEASE. This old guy knows different and it wasn't the internet I got my experience from
My old man who was a gunsmith always said if I was going to start quacking I best make sure I earned my tail feathers first
Enjoyed the conversation however
Take care
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They didn’t make left hand Model 70’s after 2006. I guess if you’re going to start quacking.........

I’ve likely owned more Left Hand custom Model 70’s than anyone in this country and quite possibly more production models as well.
 
chuck nelson said:
They didn’t make left hand Model 70’s after 2006. I guess if you’re going to start quacking.........

I’ve likely owned more Left Hand custom Model 70’s than anyone in this country and quite possibly more production models as well.
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The New Haven plant closed in march 2006 and they were in the 2006 cat and they started selling again out of south carolina in 2009 and in that
How many went out the door I have no idea
Glad you are the expert in this country :) Wait now the internet is tell you that Correct LOL but that says 2005

Enjoy your model 70's
Cheers
 
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3macs1 said:
Too funny. I am left handed also but that makes no difference. I still own pre 64 rights and they are fine on the left side
You are here bragging how great the Winchester model 70 is and you don't even own one example of the best model 70 they ever made IMO and many others
Should try one some day if the post models impresses you so much. The pre 64 will blow your mind :)
I am going to go out on a limb here and bet your post guns are after 2006 so not even winchester New Haven, CT made
And you are telling us how poor a model 700 is . PLEASE. This old guy knows different and it wasn't the internet I got my experience from
My old man who was a gunsmith always said if I was going to start quacking I best make sure I earned my tail feathers first
Enjoyed the conversation however
Take care
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I’m not on anyone’s side aside from the Winchester Model 70 naturally. But having had a dozen or more Pre-64s and a prewar or two and loving them, the best Model 70s ever made are admittedly today’s. The one aspect I’d give the pre-64 and prewar is the one piece bolt / integral handle. While I vastly prefer the modern M70’s splined on handle versus the Model 700’s literally soldered on affair, it is the one production shortcut of serious note to me on the modern M70 and no I don’t like it. But it’s an easy operation to pin the modern handle and it’s never coming off after that.

Overall the FN and current euro M70s are the slickest and smoothest, and from what I’ve seen most accurate M70s yet made. I do like the old trigger for its ridiculously rugged simplicity, but the new trigger is extremely good in its own right. Ultimately, I clearly prefer CRF, too. It doesn’t have any drawbacks and does have pros, unlike push feed in my eyes. It’s just costlier to make, and in the world since the Mustang was introduced cheap and quick is winning unfortunately. This said while the M700 was taking a turn for the worse (my SPS is the last one I owned, or will own) the M70 has been steadily improving since the push feed was abandoned. That’s worth something in my eyes.
 
I agree with Ardent 100 percent when it comes to the new model 70's.
Currently I've got 3 Pre-64's on hand down from 7 a few months ago. Starting with the push feeds years ago I've owned over 25 Model 70's including the pre-war cloverleaf tangs.
My favorite of the entire batch is the newest of the lot Extreme Weather 300 WSM. Not the prettiest but sure as heck the most practical
 
Ardent said:
I’m not on anyone’s side aside from the Winchester Model 70 naturally. But having had a dozen or more Pre-64s and a prewar or two and loving them, the best Model 70s ever made are admittedly today’s. The one aspect I’d give the pre-64 and prewar is the one piece bolt / integral handle. While I vastly prefer the modern M70’s splined on handle versus the Model 700’s literally soldered on affair, it is the one production shortcut of serious note to me on the modern M70 and no I don’t like it. But it’s an easy operation to pin the modern handle and it’s never coming off after that.

Overall the FN and current euro M70s are the slickest and smoothest, and from what I’ve seen most accurate M70s yet made. I do like the old trigger for its ridiculously rugged simplicity, but the new trigger is extremely good in its own right. Ultimately, I clearly prefer CRF, too. It doesn’t have any drawbacks and does have pros, unlike push feed in my eyes. It’s just costlier to make, and in the world since the Mustang was introduced cheap and quick is winning unfortunately. This said while the M700 was taking a turn for the worse (my SPS is the last one I owned, or will own) the M70 has been steadily improving since the push feed was abandoned. That’s worth something in my eyes.
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And they very well could be. I just know after 64 they went through so many design changes and once the pieces started to be made out of the USA I for one like many gave up on them. I know 100% the initial post 64's for many many years were terrible. Remember those first hand
I will keep my pre 64's and they will do everything well I need to do. Thank you
But that was not the point I was trying to make here with my earlier post. But glad to hear after 50 plus years of trying they got it right again :)
Cheers
 
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There aren't a lot of options today if you want a new rifle with a 1 piece forged bolt that is in most peoples price ranges...Howa/Vanguard I guess, checks a lot of boxes like integral recoil lug, it's push feed but a fairly robust extractor, good triggers and stocks, heavy action, good barrels.
For CRF Zastava M70 is acceptable, actions are a little rough but useable, good triggers, good barrels.
All my 700's are target rifles...still trying to track down a decent priced 25-06 700 to actually hunt #### with lol.
 
3macs1 said:
What ???? after that statement
I’ve likely owned more Left Hand custom Model 70’s than anyone in this country and quite possibly more production models as well.
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What are you trying to accomplish here? Really? I stand by what I said. So far you are batting exactly zip on your experience with them so why do you keep acting like you might teach me something about them?
 
3macs1 said:
And they very well could be. I just know after 64 they went through so many design changes and once the pieces started to be made out of the USA I for one like many gave up on them. I know 100% the initial post 64's for many many years were terrible. Remember those first hand
I will keep my pre 64's and they will do everything well I need to do. Thank you
But that was not the point I was trying to make here with my earlier post. But glad to hear after 50 plus years of trying they got it right again :)
Cheers
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Actually, the post 64 CRF Model 70 went through very little changes and not a single change that I know of that would not make any part interchangeable from beginning production until the end.
 
3macs1 said:
And they very well could be. I just know after 64 they went through so many design changes and once the pieces started to be made out of the USA I for one like many gave up on them. I know 100% the initial post 64's for many many years were terrible. Remember those first hand
I will keep my pre 64's and they will do everything well I need to do. Thank you
But that was not the point I was trying to make here with my earlier post. But glad to hear after 50 plus years of trying they got it right again :)
Cheers
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They’ve been right and stopped trying to compete with the M700 on M700 price points and specs for going on fifteen years now, and improving that whole while, not some surprising new development. ;)

Hitzy said:
There aren't a lot of options today if you want a new rifle with a 1 piece forged bolt that is in most peoples price ranges...Howa/Vanguard I guess, checks a lot of boxes like integral recoil lug, it's push feed but a fairly robust extractor, good triggers and stocks, heavy action, good barrels.
For CRF Zastava M70 is acceptable, actions are a little rough but useable, good triggers, good barrels.
All my 700's are target rifles...still trying to track down a decent priced 25-06 700 to actually hunt #### with lol.
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No mainstream one piece bolts errr... Ruger? ;)

And frankly my answer to all this is the M70 is the finest, the M77 is the toughest, and the M700 is the easiest to work on and cheapest. All of them are production actions, and all are handily bettered by a quality aftermarket action. I like to shoot for the top of the category, and for production rifles that’s an M70. For afternarket, I’d go and have gone Satterlee.
 
Ardent said:
They’ve been right and stopped trying to compete with the M700 on M700 price points and specs for going on fifteen years now, and improving that whole while, not some surprising new development. ;)



I stand corrected over 35 years to get it right again
LOL
Honestly will never know since I have way more vintage rifles to do me as well as a couple dozen friends here :) and have no plans on adding new when I have been reducing the herd for the last 10 years
Take care
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Ardent said:
They’ve been right and stopped trying to compete with the M700 on M700 price points and specs for going on fifteen years now, and improving that whole while, not some surprising new development. ;)



No mainstream one piece bolts errr... Ruger? ;)

And frankly my answer to all this is the M70 is the finest, the M77 is the toughest, and the M700 is the easiest to work on and cheapest. All of them are production actions, and all are handily bettered by a quality aftermarket action. I like to shoot for the top of the category, and for production rifles that’s an M70. For afternarket, I’d go and have gone Satterlee.
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I did say 1 piece forged...not cast :)
Some people don't like soldered handles, I'm not a fan of casting, less so when they can't even be bothered to finish the surfaces and leave sections "as cast".
My go to for CRF hunting are either FN98's or HVA 1600's, for $500 or less I don't mind that they are old and used...they are smooth and feed as smoothly as any push feed, accurate as anything new and plenty tough.
 
Ardent said:
They’ve been right and stopped trying to compete with the M700 on M700 price points and specs for going on fifteen years now, and improving that whole while, not some surprising new development. ;)



No mainstream one piece bolts errr... Ruger? ;)

And frankly my answer to all this is the M70 is the finest, the M77 is the toughest, and the M700 is the easiest to work on and cheapest. All of them are production actions, and all are handily bettered by a quality aftermarket action. I like to shoot for the top of the category, and for production rifles that’s an M70. For afternarket, I’d go and have gone Satterlee.
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Spoke with a gunsmith you might recognize on Friday. He is ready to start building rifles on his own Model 70/98 hybrid now.
 
Hitzy said:
I did say 1 piece forged...not cast :)
Some people don't like soldered handles, I'm not a fan of casting, less so when they can't even be bothered to finish the surfaces and leave sections "as cast".
My go to for CRF hunting are either FN98's or HVA 1600's, for $500 or less I don't mind that they are old and used...they are smooth and feed as smoothly as any push feed, accurate as anything new and plenty tough.
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Meh I’ve flown multi-million dollar aircraft with investment castings as major structural members, this isn’t your dad’s Lada. Ruger’s other (large) business is investment castings for aerospace, racing, and other industries. Find me a Ruger bolt handle that’s come off and you’ve got yourself and argument. In the meantime you can say you just don’t like it and aren’t sure what investment casting is and how it differs from all the other forms of casting, and that’s fine.
 
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