Faster powders for shorter barrels - say 1680 for a 16 inch 308

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Ganderite said:
Careful Woodchopper. You are inserting logic into what heretofore has been a fun discussion of the absurd.
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well there is that :)

I am also a big believer in using the heaviest practical bullet :) 200grn for the 300WM... 180Grn 308Win... 150 Grn 30-30AI oh did I slip in an AI :)

now I'm having a dilemma with some of my new guns

the 325WSM I was really limited by the selection and ended up with 200grn like I use in the 300WM I hope to get the 325 shooting 200grn over 3000FPS. :)

the 338WM I'm leaning towards 225grn but have not committed yet. I may need a slower powder then IMR4831.

the 458WM was a no brainer I got 6 boxes of 450grn RN free so that's what I'm shooting :) I'm still deciding on powder for that one too.



Oh and a recommendation on stepladders as I will need one apparently to go hunting :)
 
woodchopper said:
I have a 300WM, I throw a 200grn bullet at 2960FPS and its not unpleasant.

what the hell is the step ladder for? perhaps where you hunt you have some weird limitations.

if your going to buy a short barrel carbine perhaps you need to look at something that is chambered with an appropriate case/chamber.

308 is not going to work as it was designed for rifles with 20" barrels.

I would not buy a 300WM with a 18" barrel either it would be a waste of case capacity, bigger cases, more powder but slower powder, more velocity, barrel length does not really change that but a shortened barrel will result in a loss of potential velocity.

perhaps what you need is a 30-30, that has a reasonable case capacity for a faster powder, and a shorter barrel will be sufficient to use what potential there is in that case.
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A step ladder is useful if you hunt in deer in the bush around here with a 300 Win mag. It allows you to recover parts of the deer that end-up too high in the trees to reach from the ground.

Anyway a lot of folks are buying shorter barreled 308 these days. 30-30 no thanks.

A 16-20" bolt gun in 7.62x39 is a good solution for people who like a handy, deer-capable brush gun that is a pleasure to shoot. However I'd go for the same bullet weight in a 308 Win (loaded with say 125Gr PSPs - of which I already have many) but yielding another 200 or so FPS over what 7.62x39 can deliver.

I don't want some light load of slow powder (which will still deliver a pretty significant, unnecessary muzzle blast) but a decent load of a faster powder (without the drama). Sort of a 7.62x39 plus load - loaded in readily available 308 cases.
 
steelgray said:
A step ladder is useful if you hunt in deer in the bush around here with a 300 Win mag. It allows you to recover parts of the deer that end-up too high in the trees to reach from the ground.

Anyway a lot of folks are buying shorter barreled 308 these days. 30-30 no thanks.

A 16-20" bolt gun in 7.62x39 is a good solution for people who like a handy, deer-capable brush gun that is a pleasure to shoot. However I'd go for the same bullet weight in a 308 Win (loaded with say 125Gr PSPs - of which I already have many) but yielding another 200 or so FPS over what 7.62x39 can deliver.

I don't want some light load of slow powder (which will still deliver a pretty significant, unnecessary muzzle blast) but a decent load of a faster powder (without the drama). Sort of a 7.62x39 plus load - loaded in readily available 308 cases.
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Now 300wm blows pieces of deer into the trees? Lmfao

7.62x39 is good, but the more powerful 30-30 is a no go?
 
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This thread has been very entertaining, and somewhat educational. But for practical hunting situations I haven’t learned much, but I have a new 300 WM Iam working with, so I will have to remember to take a step ladder when I take it hunting next fall.
 
steelgray said:
A step ladder is useful if you hunt in deer in the bush around here with a 300 Win mag. It allows you to recover parts of the deer that end-up too high in the trees to reach from the ground.

Anyway a lot of folks are buying shorter barreled 308 these days. 30-30 no thanks.

A 16-20" bolt gun in 7.62x39 is a good solution for people who like a handy, deer-capable brush gun that is a pleasure to shoot. However I'd go for the same bullet weight in a 308 Win (loaded with say 125Gr PSPs - of which I already have many) but yielding another 200 or so FPS over what 7.62x39 can deliver.

I don't want some light load of slow powder (which will still deliver a pretty significant, unnecessary muzzle blast) but a decent load of a faster powder (without the drama). Sort of a 7.62x39 plus load - loaded in readily available 308 cases.
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Do not fear the 30-30........:runaway:
You need not be afraid or intimidated by it ....... you won't immediately turn into a Fudd if you own one and hunt in the bush with it.....:stirthepot2:
 
kc34 said:
Do not fear the 30-30........:runaway:
You need not be afraid or intimidated by it ....... you won't immediately turn into a Fudd if you own one and hunt in the bush with it.....:stirthepot2:
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I'm not intimidated by a 30-30. Its not the ballistics (or lack thereof). I'm just not the cowboy-type and consider these things to be really goofy guns.
 
kc34 said:
Do not fear the 30-30........:runaway:
You need not be afraid or intimidated by it ....... you won't immediately turn into a Fudd if you own one and hunt in the bush with it.....:stirthepot2:
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I dunno about that. I had a nice denim jacket actually turn to flannel where my 336 had rubbed against it. Totally ruined it.
 
steelgray said:
They are actually great guns, if you like hamburger.
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My 243 does more damage than my 300 mag with similar shots and bullet placement. 300 mag burns a clean hole through (heavier bullet), 243 more explosive and more bullet fragmenting (lighter bullet). Deer also run further on lung shots with a 300 mag...
Common misconception, its all about bullet construction and velocity...

North
 
North of 7 said:
My 243 does more damage than my 300 mag with similar shots and bullet placement. 300 mag burns a clean hole through (heavier bullet), 243 more explosive and more bullet fragmenting (lighter bullet). Deer also run further on lung shots with a 300 mag...
Common misconception, its all about bullet construction and velocity...

North
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Agreed!! I have shot quite a number of deer with the 308 Norma Magnum/180 Partitions. Don't remember any being converted
to hamburger in the field, lol. Dave.
 
Eagleye said:
Agreed!! I have shot quite a number of deer with the 308 Norma Magnum/180 Partitions. Don't remember any being converted
to hamburger in the field, lol. Dave.
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No not hamburger, the hanging pieces would have to be bigger than that to make it worth your while to bring a step ladder with you.
 
steelgray said:
I don't want some light load of slow powder (which will still deliver a pretty significant, unnecessary muzzle blast) but a decent load of a faster powder (without the drama). Sort of a 7.62x39 plus load - loaded in readily available 308 cases.
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A light load of slow powder, with a light bullet, most likely won't fire anyway, so no point chasing that rabbit.
 
steelgray said:
A step ladder is useful if you hunt in deer in the bush around here with a 300 Win mag. It allows you to recover parts of the deer that end-up too high in the trees to reach from the ground.

Anyway a lot of folks are buying shorter barreled 308 these days. 30-30 no thanks.

A 16-20" bolt gun in 7.62x39 is a good solution for people who like a handy, deer-capable brush gun that is a pleasure to shoot. However I'd go for the same bullet weight in a 308 Win (loaded with say 125Gr PSPs - of which I already have many) but yielding another 200 or so FPS over what 7.62x39 can deliver.

I don't want some light load of slow powder (which will still deliver a pretty significant, unnecessary muzzle blast) but a decent load of a faster powder (without the drama). Sort of a 7.62x39 plus load - loaded in readily available 308 cases.
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They are actually great guns, if you like hamburger.
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I'm not intimidated by a 30-30. Its not the ballistics (or lack thereof). I'm just not the cowboy-type and consider these things to be really goofy guns.
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OK, I'm getting it now. So you've never actually shot a deer with a .300WM, nor seen any shot, and you're actually about 14. All makes sense now.
 
Short barreled .308 Winchester

No fire ball, medium burn rate powder, 2900 fps out of a 16 1/2" barrel. Using a magnum handgun powder may produce more velocity ....... once!


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rral22 said:
OK, I'm getting it now. So you've never actually shot a deer with a .300WM, nor seen any shot, and you're actually about 14. All makes sense now.
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I know a guy who shot a deer right in the butt with a 300 Win Mag. As I remember, that didn't work out too well. You wouldn't want any of that hamburger.

I did shoot a medium-sized black bear at close range with an 18 inch Sako full stock 338 Magnum. No meat was harvested there either - as it was full of worms.

BTW in case you haven't figured it out yet I was kidding about the step ladder
 
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