.22 lr ELR ammo... this is going to be interesting.

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What does Cutting Edge have new for 2020?!

Well, the secret is out. We are still working out all of the details and releases but we are working on 22 LR ammo for the .22 ELR world. Tons of 22 ELR matches are popping up all over the place. So, why not take the technology that is the reigning #kingof2miles winner and apply it to a 22?! What's one more bullet when you have over 400?!

Stop by booth 411 to see what we are up to!"

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What is an ELR ? This ammo looks interesting though...what kind of results and ballistics does it possess compared to standard 22lr?
 
Are they going to fit in standard 22lr mag or are they for single shot rifles. looks like they might be longer than standars .22lr would be nice to see a standard 22lr beside it.
 
That's interesting but between SAAMI specifications for pressure and the slow rifling in most 22lr barrels it might be tough to get very far beyond what is already tried and true.

Custom builds with strong actions and faster rifling might be able to make great use of this kind of technology. Builders and ammo manufacturers working together might change the game a great deal.
 
I think it will be all about BC, ES and SD on the ammo....

The problem with “normal” 22LR ammo, is the projectiles are basically like a lead round ball when you’re talking Ballistics.

For instance, I shoot Eley green in my CZ and SK Rifle Match in my Savage. Both group well at 100, but both need 7 mills of elevation to get on target at 200y.

If you could still keep the speed “just under” the sound barrier (not hard) and improve the ballistic coefficient by as little as 10%, it would be a “game changer” in the CRPS world.... they shoot those rimfires out to 300.

I’m a self proclaimed “ballistics nerd”.... but I digress.... if ya run the numbers, and say take something with the ballistic coefficient of a Nosler 40 BTV or a Hornady Vmax 35gr and push it at 1000 fps, with a reeeeaaaally reliable and stable velocity with low SDs and ES (standard deviation and extreme spread) and compare it to a “standard velocity” CCI blaster, the drop at 200y is 9 mills vs 21.38 mills (25 yard zero)..... game changer doesn’t do it justice.... game destroyer....

I foresee a new class in CRPS if this ammo hits store shelves...
 
Cant say I know anything about what it would take to reload rimfire ammunition, but something tells me before 2021 we're all going to be discussing which dies are best, which is the cheapest but most consistent manufacturer to pull loaded rounds apart and build off of, etc, and eagerly awaiting the 2021 shot show announcement that Lapua is selling reasonable size batches of new/primed cases.

Should be a fun year.
 
Interesting and look forward to see what develops from this but thinking it will require another job to pay for the custom gun and a winning lottery ticket to buy the ammo. Quality rimfire ammo is already $15-$30 plus a box I can only imagine what this stuff will be worth! As far as Joe average reloading rimfire himself, I highly doubt it. Not saying it can’t be done just can’t imagine being able or having enough time. Those practice sessions that eat up a couple hundred rounds would be pricey and pain-full.
 
Is Cutting Edge going to begin manufacturing a new .22LR ammo? In the brief FB post, they say "we are working on 22 LR ammo for the .22 ELR world" -- which would seem to suggest the whole enchilada, a new cartridge. Cutting Edge goes further to observe that since there's a growth of ELR competition it makes sense to apply their centerfire know-how "and apply it to a 22".

I'm skeptical about this new bullet/cartridge for two reasons. First, if Cutting Edge is going to go all out and begin manufacturing .22LR ammo with a new bullet design, it is a challenging process to make match quality ammo. It is a very difficult and expensive technical effort to capitalize on the growing long range .22LR market.

An important key to very good long distance .22LR ammo is consistent muzzle velocity. That is accomplished by more than simply measuring the correct amount of propellant into each case before putting a bullet in it. Other factors such as consistent primer application, consistent bullet size and weight, bullet depth consistency, bullet crimping, and case composition and size consistency each have a role to play. Developing the consistent manufacturing processes to make competitive match quality ammo requires ongoing research and development and a considerable capital investment.

It's no coincidence that across the world there are relatively few manufacturers of match ammo -- notably the "big three," Eley, RWS, and Lapua. There are reasons why the match ammo making club is small. The manufacturing processes of each are expensive, time-consuming, and proprietary. It's not easy to manufacture top quality .22LR ammo, and it can't be done any other way. No one is going to be reloading rimfire ammo at home -- especially any that is top quality. If Cutting Edge is proposing to make a new top quality ammo, then that would be .22LR ammo news indeed.

The second reason for skepticism is based on the premise that a new bullet design itself will solve many of the shortcomings of existing ammo. Has that what's been missing by the ammo makers -- a different bullet design, one that only occurred to a bullet manufacturing enterprise that began in 2009? Is it possible that this didn't occur to any of Eley, RWS, or Lapua, that their R&D people never thought to try different bullet designs to improve .22LR ammo for long distance shooting? They've been making .22LR ammo for decades, while Cutting Edge has been making centerfire bullets for a decade. The answers are unclear at best, but there is clearly room for doubt.

To be sure, at least some of the big three ammo makers appear (SK, a subsidiary of Lapua) to be attempting to produce something for the growing long range .22LR market with its SK Long Range Match ammo. But there's nothing to indicate that it is any better at long range shooting than other match ammos.

I don't mean to pour cold water on the idea of a new and improved ammo. I understand the shortcomings of .22LR ammo especially for very long distance shooting. I also understand the sometimes infectious excitement that can be generated by a new shooting product. I would welcome a new "magic bullet" that would transform .22LR shooting. But this is one of those "things" about which I would like to have much more information and evidence before I became enthused about it.
 
I'll preface this by saying I have next to no knowledge of reloading 22LR, and zero experience. I'm looking at this purely as theory and practicality with little to no concern over cost or time.

An important key to very good long distance .22LR ammo is consistent muzzle velocity. That is accomplished by more than simply measuring the correct amount of propellant into each case before putting a bullet in it. Other factors such as consistent primer application, consistent bullet size and weight, bullet depth consistency, bullet crimping, and case composition and size consistency each have a role to play. Developing the consistent manufacturing processes to make competitive match quality ammo requires ongoing research and development and a considerable capital investment.

Primers: I agree. At this time, from the limited amount of info out there on how to prime 22LR, nothing I've seen out there would give me any confidence to be able to prime a case and have it ignite consistently. I'm having a hard time imagining a future where we're able to hand apply a compound to the inside of a case in a consistent enough way to reload high quality ammo at home. But - let's start with the assumption that I don't have to. Again, with cost not being an issue, is there a practical reason why I can't buy Tenex or Midas+, pull and toss the bullet, and dump the powder so I have a very consistent pre-primed case to start my load from? The other factors - bullet size/weight, bullet depth, bullet crimping, powder charge - those are all things typical of centerfire reloading that should be fairly comparable in rimfire reloading. And, if enough demand for rimfire components popped up, it wouldn't be a stretch for manufacturer's like Lapua or Eley to start selling pre-primed new cases in the future. They're already making it, if they could make similar profit margins for less work, could it not be viable for them to start selling primed cases in addition to their loaded ammunition?

The second reason for skepticism is based on the premise that a new bullet design itself will solve many of the shortcomings of existing ammo. Has that what's been missing by the ammo makers -- a different bullet design, one that only occurred to a bullet manufacturing enterprise that began in 2009? Is it possible that this didn't occur to any of Eley, RWS, or Lapua, that their R&D people never thought to try different bullet designs to improve .22LR ammo for long distance shooting? They've been making .22LR ammo for decades, while Cutting Edge has been making centerfire bullets for a decade. The answers are unclear at best, but there is clearly room for doubt.

In this case, I'd suggest that until recently, there was not enough market interest in pushing 22LR to distances considered ELR. I don't think it was a matter of the top manufacturer's not thinking about it, but rather that the gains in a substantial change to their ammo wouldn't be obvious or worthwhile to their customer base. If you have ammo that can shoot tiny groups at the distance's your customers compete at, why change? Especially when the rifles those customer's are shooting in those disciplines have been built from the ground up to shoot that specific match grade ammo at 25 or 50 meters into the same hole.

At this time though, we're pushing way beyond the design intent of that ammo. Stuff like SK Long Range Rifle Match is just fancy wording on the same product that's been around for years. You're still pushing a relatively low BC bullet at low speeds. I know we're all driving for the tightest possible groups no matter the distance, but the benefits of a high BC bullet halving your wind deflection or reducing your elevation adjustments by 20% when shooting way out there will without a doubt be more beneficial to someone shooting 500 yards than another shooting 50 yards that has access to 100+ years of research into ammo designed to shoot at 50 yards.

Would it be a stretch to pull apart the best ammo out there for the best primed case I can get, charge it with a load that would normally be reserved for a HV 22LR, then seat a 50 or 53gr bullet with a BC double that of the best conventional 22LR match ammo currently available, and fire it at the typical 1070ish velocities? Certainly these new full sized actions with chambers set in MTU contoured barrels would handle the pressure.

If that's doable - I'm seeing 20.4 MOA less elevation required at 500 yards, and less than 50% wind deflection.

With the assumption that at closer ranges, the reloaded ammo wouldn't be as accurate as the original top of the line cartridge, would it be worth giving up 1/4 or 1/2 MOA accuracy at 50 yards, but reduced your wind deflection by 50%?

If you're shooting a discipline where tiny targets within 100 yards are important, probably not.
If you're shooting off awkward positions out to 500 yards with 2-3 MOA targets or more, it's up for debate. Personally, I'd consider that a worthwhile trade-off, especially in 10-30km switchy winds during a certain finale last year.

Would I re-barrel one of these expensive custom actions to try it out? 6 months ago, probably not. Since the release of all these fancy new actions selling the idea of shouldered pre-fits that I could stick a fast twist barrel on, maybe. I don't think I'd spend the money on a dedicated rifle that only shot custom reloaded ammo, because I still like the idea being able to buy a box of "relatively" cheap ammo and go shoot all day without hours spent reloading... but if I could every once in a while swap out my barrel and start pushing how far and how tight i could shoot that 22LR, I think I'd be game to give it a shot.

Neat to think about anyway - maybe one day I could find the time to try it out.
 
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