Bayonet Identification - 1918 marked?

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Hi, I have been on the hunt for a pattern 1907 bayonet that will fit the MkIII* LE that I have in the mail. I came across this one that someone would like to sell me that looks alot like the 1907 (ie. appears to have the same ring) but it is marked with Lithgow factory markings and a "1918". This to me does not look like the model 1917 Remington bayonet, does not have the slashes on the handle, and looks like it would fit a MKIII* (but I do not know enough about bayonets to determine).

1.) What is this? and

2.) Does it fit a MkII*?

Thanks!


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5yyvyxv96g08tff/AADB_x5p0-E4Ed1UGVwukecma?dl=0
 
As usual, you have proven to be most helpful louthepou! I see some bayonets actually marked "1907", even though they have different manufacturing dates marked on them so I figured I should check.
 
The 1907 marking is the model number, so all P1907 bayonets will be stamped 1907. The date is stamped below the 1907 as month - year with the year abbreviated as two digits. The Australian arms factory at Lithgow manufactured No1 rifles and P1907 bayonets in both wars.
 
platnumbob said:
Hi, I have been on the hunt for a pattern 1907 bayonet that will fit the MkIII* LE that I have in the mail. I came across this one that someone would like to sell me that looks alot like the 1907 (ie. appears to have the same ring) but it is marked with Lithgow factory markings and a "1918". This to me does not look like the model 1917 Remington bayonet, does not have the slashes on the handle, and looks like it would fit a MKIII* (but I do not know enough about bayonets to determine).

1.) What is this? and

2.) Does it fit a MkII*?

Thanks!


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5yyvyxv96g08tff/AADB_x5p0-E4Ed1UGVwukecma?dl=0
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At the start you say you have a Mk.III* Lee Enfield coming, but later down you mention a 1917 Remington and slashes on the handle. A 30.06 Pattern 1917 or 'P17' takes a bayonet with much the same blade as the 1907 Enfield and has those two slashes on the grips to indicate the difference. They are not interchangeable. If the bayonet is a Lithgow it will fit a Mk.III* Enfield as the Australians had nothing to do with P17's.

Just making sure we're talking the same thing???
 
bogusiii said:
Just making sure we're talking the same thing???
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I'd say you are. The OP reads to me as someone who knows the differences between the 1907/P17 and is aware of their lack of interchangeability.

It's a 1907 all right, not the nicest example with the grips rather worn and the lack of finish - but it'll do if the price is right.
 
7ECA said:
I'd say you are. The OP reads to me as someone who knows the differences between the 1907/P17 and is aware of their lack of interchangeability.

It's a 1907 all right, not the nicest example with the grips rather worn and the lack of finish - but it'll do if the price is right.
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Yep - based on my reading I had determined that the 1917 had the slashes on the grip included so that they could be easily differentiated from designs such as the 1907. The 1917 remington won't fit based on the difference in ring height. I have lots to learn about milsurps but it has been fun so far figuring this all out!
 
Just to add a fly in the ointment, Remington also manufactured the Pattern 1907 for the British. They are rarer than the Pattern 1913 or US M1917, but they do pop-up once in a while.
 
Apparently Remington made only 100,000 1907 pattern bayonets during the First World War. Rare indeed; actually just saw one pop up on a UK site for about $300 or so Canadian dollars.
 
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