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I personally don’t believe that posting a link on your website for your membership to view and make their own educated decisions on how they feel about things is a violation of the rules or political activism, unless it goes against what your lib. benefactors don’t want!

Depending on the revisions and interpretations of the new rules someone with more legalese would have to look into that! I was told once by an individual in the Legal department of the corporation that I work for he said companies can do whatever they want and say whatever they want until it’s been challenged in a court of law and ruled on by a judge nothing is final!
But if it is the case I am just wondering about the doctors against firearms ownership and their charitable status and who is funding them? Because they sure seem to be able to be out on the forefront of a political debate!
 
Ajax148 said:
But if it is the case I am just wondering about the doctors against firearms ownership and their charitable status and who is funding them? Because they sure seem to be able to be out on the forefront of a political debate!
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Doctors for Protection from Guns (CDPG) is a non-for-profit business. https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/scr/cc/Cor...11667319&V_TOKEN=1581091598935&crpNm=CANADIAN DOCTORS FOR PROTECTION FROM GUNS&crpNmbr=&bsNmbr=

They are not a registered charity. https://apps.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/hac...tors+For+Protection+From+Guns&q.stts=0007&p=1

They are a register lobby group. https://lobbycanada.gc.ca/app/secure/ocl/lrs/do/vwRg?cno=363960&regId=896386#regStart
 
So let me get this straight...it's totally acceptable for the president of Ducks Unlimited to hold a seat on Trudeau's gun ban committee, and completely fine that DU receives tens of millions in federal funding annually, but sharing a petition about respecting democratic process is outside of their mission.

It's pretty clear to me where their loyalty lies, and it's not with us!
 
Registered lobby group you say! Then they can do whatever they want! Don’t worry about ethics but mostly power and political action

The donations they receive from WWF and Tides probably make the $300,000 from Airbnb look like couch change then!
Just Google those two organizations and you can see what meddling in politics in Canada can be done with funded lobby groups! There’s a long history of those organizations funding lots of radical actions in Canada
 
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I am a lawyer who has worked with charities and nonprofit clients for several years. We may not like it, but my legal opinion is that DU's position is not only reasonable, but mandatory under the CRA guidelines for charities.

There is a very short list of things a charity can do, and if it does anything else it can be stripped of its charitable status and associated tax benefits. The list is this:
relief of poverty
advancement of education
advancement of religion
certain other purposes that benefit the community in a way the courts have said is charitable

Environmental conservation is something falling in the last category, and that's how DU maintains it charitable status. Firearms advocacy has not (as of yet) been seen by courts as a charitable community benefit, and it today's political and media climate, it is exceedingly unlikely that the courts would rule that guns are a community benefit worthy of charitable protection.

Source: https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-ag...red-charity/establishing/what-charitable.html
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Bull s-h-i-t!
 
On the positive side. If they sent that to all their members at least the ones who haven’t heard mention of the petition will now be aware. Hopefully they can do a second of research and find it to sign
 
Looks like the petition was started by an individual from Medicine Hat, Alberta.

I’m not sure where the political association would come from? Other than some political parties agreeing that the libs are over stepping their authority by not following proper political process and circumvent proper investigation and debate to strip vetted legal ownership of property. Something that they, the libs. promised to Canada in their first election campaign, fact based not emotionally based policy! They have yet to offer any real evidence that this will make Toronto any safer! Maybe they could quote the success of the long gun registry! If we could get more people who are concerned about their rights and freedoms not just Firearms owners and explain to the people how this is going to cost the Canadian taxpayer probably in the billions of dollars!

Justin is chasing a seat on the UN council and his association with tides and the united nation plan of disarmament should concern all free citizens of the globe but that is a bigger issue at play then what needs to be mentioned here! But it is indeed at play!
 
If DUC want to play the "we're an NPO/Charity" game then why are other NPO/Charity's like BCWF posting the link to their members. Informing people is not advocating politics one way or another......


Here is a petition for your information. Easy.
 
Well then I guess its OK if the firearms and hunting community adopts a "neutral" stance on the preservation of wetlands and refuses to funnel them money.

Sorry, we're neutral on this! We only focus on gun issues. :rolleyes:

Youza.
 
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edgy said:
Being asked to post a link to a petition for their members IS NOT making a political statement, and that is all they were asked to do, make their members aware of the petition,, let's just say it's " advancement of education " ffs.
DU could do this and they know they could,,but they have their grubby hands out for government money so they chose their side,, screw DU, they can crash and burn without hunters and sportshooters
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Actually it is...

The link to the petition is a political act - specifically because the petition ADVOCATES (that's the important word) against the proposed legislation.

What DU COULD do is EDUCATE or INFORM (different language) it's members that this legislation is in the works, that if the members want to find our more they can go to website A, if they want to support the legislation they can go to website B, and if they don't support the legislation they can go to website C. (must do all three).

I still think DU is acting like a piece of poop - they know full well that this affects their members, and more importantly they should know full well that this affects their fundraising capability (e.g. auctioning off hunting equipment). There are ways to not lend political support one way or the other, but still inform membership of the news of the day.

David
 
Pootle said:
Actually it is...

The link to the petition is a political act - specifically because the petition ADVOCATES (that's the important word) against the proposed legislation.

What DU COULD do is EDUCATE or INFORM (different language) it's members that this legislation is in the works, that if the members want to find our more they can go to website A, if they want to support the legislation they can go to website B, and if they don't support the legislation they can go to website C. (must do all three).

I still think DU is acting like a piece of poop - they know full well that this affects their members, and more importantly they should know full well that this affects their fundraising capability (e.g. auctioning off hunting equipment). There are ways to not lend political support one way or the other, but still inform membership of the news of the day.

David
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The petitions stated goal is this

e-2341 said:
We, the undersigned, citizens of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to put any new firearms laws, bans, buyback programs or changes to licencing before the House of Commons to be debated
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Thats not advocating for one side or the other... thats asking for the democratic process to be upheld...
 
There sure are a lot of blissful people wading in to trash an organization that helps their cause in so many other ways.
 
Ajax148 said:
Registered lobby group you say! Then they can do whatever they want! Don’t worry about ethics but mostly power and political action

The donations they receive from WWF and Tides probably make the $300,000 from Airbnb look like couch change then!
Just Google those two organizations and you can see what meddling in politics in Canada can be done with funded lobby groups! There’s a long history of those organizations funding lots of radical actions in Canada
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And then?
 
Just sent off an email to the Manitoba Wildlife Federation requesting if they would be able to post the petition on their site or email members as they have been supporting the firearms community.


MWF articles

http://mwf.mb.ca/2019/12/07/gun-violence-press-release/

http://mwf.mb.ca/2018/11/01/firearm-ban-input/



Good day Sir or Madam, I am contacting you today in regards to the Lieberal forced firearm ban by way of OIC. I have recently come across several of your articles and I am honored to have you in the corner of the firearms community, as one of the few Wildlife organizations championing for this cause. I have also shared your articles on Canadiangunnutz (CGN) forum for all too see your support and efforts. I would like to ask you today if you would be willing and able to post an article or email your members in regards to petition E-2341 set in motion by MP Glen Motz of Alberta. I am very appreciative of your efforts on this matter, and hope if you are able to pass this along.

Please take a moment to sign and share this important petition regarding the impending lieberal gun ban. There are no age restrictions, Thank you, all the best. Pew, pew


https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-2341


Please check your email/spam/junk to confirm signing of petition.

Your signature doesn't count if you don't confirm the email by clicking the link in it.


Thanking you in advance for your time and consideration .


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And then?
If doctors stand beside the Libs and say the same lies then it’s got to be true! To people who know nothing of what it takes to own firearms in Canada!
Just like the red flag crap they want to put in place! It already exists in the current legislation! That seems to be a big talking point for them, they mention how they’re going to do things to make the laws tougher that are already in the legislation that people who are involved in the firearms community already know are in the legislation but the general public does not even know it exists because they don’t know what the laws are!
I hope you aren’t attached to or own any semi automatic shotguns or rifles for that matter if this continues down this path we’re headed!
 
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