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I have this posted on another thread but have changed some words and letters to make it applicable here.
If TSE wants to remove it please do as I am new to this and I apologize. I believe they as business owners would understand how we all need to unite as one community and one voice where this bigger picture is headed.
DU made a choice who to side with. TSE made a choice about releasing the information they were provided and decided who they would like to side with. Maybe du would think differently if they had to rely solely on public donations instead of government funding? I don’t believe they would’ve committed any political action by posting a link that would cause the CRA to take away their charitable status. All they would have to show a judge is the information they shared. Started by hunters for hunters. Same stance as du USA. Thrown out of court. Unless there was some sort of political meddling. But we all know that doesn’t happen in big court cases. Wink wink.
In the end pick a side if you want? If you’re still upset, pick a finger! We have a bigger fish to fry. The govt is coming at us with both barrels, and they don’t even have a license!!
 
Ajax148 said:
I have this posted on another thread but have changed some words and letters to make it applicable here.
If TSE wants to remove it please do as I am new to this and I apologize. I believe they as business owners would understand how we all need to unite as one community and one voice where this bigger picture is headed.
DU made a choice who to side with. TSE made a choice about releasing the information they were provided and decided who they would like to side with. Maybe du would think differently if they had to rely solely on public donations instead of government funding? I don’t believe they would’ve committed any political action by posting a link that would cause the CRA to take away their charitable status. All they would have to show a judge is the information they shared. Started by hunters for hunters. Same stance as du USA. Thrown out of court. Unless there was some sort of political meddling. But we all know that doesn’t happen in big court cases. Wink wink.
In the end pick a side if you want? If you’re still upset, pick a finger! We have a bigger fish to fry. The govt is coming at us with both barrels, and they don’t even have a license!!
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What's this with you? A member here since 2013 and never posted anything and all of the sudden you are meddling in various (4 different!!) DU threads....

Please explain your relation to DU.
 
DU is up to something and it's just my opinion but I believe they will fight only to save pump shotguns and no semi auto as they will agree with the government that for duck hunting those are unnecessary.
 
I used to support DU years ago. I stopped when they did some work on a friend's property in s.w Ontario and I wasn't allowed to hunt on it anymore. Some DU executives hunted it all the time though and did really well.
 
DU is a big business corporation they get funding from individuals, corporations and provincial and federal government. They buy land land under the pretense of conservation in reality they lease the land to cattle ranchers , they use it for agricultural purpose and other money making actives .modt of the land they own has no water on it so it is deemed habitat land . They own millions of acres that Canadians will never get back it is basically for ownership being there parent company is a us based organization. They care not about gun owners . They took the same stance in 1995! On the registration issue . How soon we forget
 
A few years ago DU came out and said that they were not a hunters organization, (I forgot the context of the message). At that time I was a DU supporter. I stopped being so and switched to another organization Delta Waterfowl for that reason. Delta has come out in support of the petition. This has just reinforced that fact that I made the right decision. DU want our dollars but wont support us....
 
TSE JR said:
I was forwarded this today... just thought I'd post it here for discussions.

JR


Dear DUC Volunteer,

Following our recent communication regarding Ducks Unlimited Canada’s (DUC) position on the firearms e-petition, we’ve heard from a number of volunteers who are looking for more details.

Let us begin by saying that DUC proudly supports the country’s hunting community. Waterfowl hunting is an integral part of our heritage—and our future. DUC continues to support hunting as a way to connect with nature and develop an appreciation for wetlands and the need to conserve them.

DUC’s position to remain neutral on the firearms e-petition is rooted in the responsibility we have to our mission—the conservation of wetlands. It’s a position we’ve taken for decades. All our policy activities must be directly related to wetland conservation. This focus allows us to deliver the critical habitat that supports hunting traditions and all outdoor lifestyles. In addition, Canada Revenue Agency guidelines stipulate that DUC can only engage in political activities that further our charitable purpose of wetland conservation.

Within Canada’s conservation community, DUC’s role is clear. We conserve and restore habitat. Other organizations, including provincial wildlife associations and hunting groups, address issues related to firearms. This partnership serves us well and has led to incredible conservation achievements across the country, including the 6.4 million acres of habitat under DUC’s care across the country.

DUC Volunteer, when it comes to the e-petition, we encourage you, and all our supporters, to exercise your individual rights as you see fit.

To help provide some additional background about DUC’s position, here are a few answers to questions we’ve received:

Q: Does DUC support hunting?
A: Yes. DUC supports hunting, when conducted in a legal and sustainable manner, as a legitimate and acceptable use of a renewable resource. Hunters are among the most devoted conservationists. They spend a lot of time outdoors and appreciate how nature provides for their life and lifestyle. They support conservation through the purchase of their hunting licenses and are often leaders in creating conservation policies and regulations.

Q: Why is DUC neutral on the firearms e-petition?
A: Our position to remain neutral on the current firearms e-petition is solely based on the obligation to keep all of our policy activities focused on our mission of habitat conservation. Pursuant to Canada Revenue Agency guidelines, DUC can only engage in political activities that further our charitable purpose. This is part of our responsibility to all supporters who entrust us with delivering habitat gains on the landscape. Other groups such as provincial wildlife associations, firearms groups and others are much better equipped to address firearm issues.

Q: Why does DUC hold a seat on the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee but remains neutral on the firearms e-petition?
A: DUC does not hold a seat on this committee. Jim Couch is a DUC volunteer who accepted the invitation to join the committee as an individual, not as a representative of DUC. He does not act or report on behalf of DUC in this capacity. His qualifications for the committee (as outlined in his biography) include being a former executive at Potash Corp., a competitive curler, gun club member, retriever club member and DUC volunteer.

Q: Why do you use firearms in your fundraising activities but do not support the firearms
e-petition?
A: We recognize the value of waterfowl hunters in the establishment and ongoing success of DUC. Firearms are often used as part of DUC fundraising activities as a way to celebrate and recognize the hunting and conservation lifestyle. However, the debate around firearm legislation is a different matter. It involves decisions and expertise that fall outside of our stated mission of wetland conservation.

Q: Why won’t you share the firearms e-petition with DUC supporters?
A: Pursuant to Canada Revenue Agency guidelines, DUC can only engage in political activities that further our charitable purpose of wetland conservation. While sharing the e-petition may seem like a harmless request, doing so would represent the first step of policy engagement outside our mission.

Q: Why should I support DUC when you don’t support firearm owners?
A: The critical element to the future and livelihood of the hunting community is habitat. Without habitat there would be no wildlife. Supporting DUC remains one of the most effective ways of ensuring this habitat remains for hunters and all Canadians to enjoy.

Q: Why must DUC maintain its neutral position on the e-petition?
A: This is not a new position for DUC. As a charitable conservation organization, we have for decades remained neutral on all policy issues that fall outside of our habitat conservation mission. This approach reflects our responsibility to deliver wetland habitat and wildlife that benefit hunters and all Canadians.

Our position on the firearms e-petition is posted on our website.

DUC Volunteer, thank you for everything you do as a DUC volunteer.

Tim Binch
National Manager Volunteer Fundraising
Ducks Unlimited Canada
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That is pathetic.
Tim, take me off you mailing list!
DU will not get my support at your shoots moving forward , I’ll save my funds to support Delta and not buy the cheap DU paintings and made in China crap anymore..
 
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Hey, maybe they will give away autographed blackface photos of good old JT instead of shotguns at their fundraiser shoots! Bet ya that will draw a crowd!

Very disappointing on multiple fronts.
 
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308smk said:
Wow...lots of heat on DU today. First canola council getting slammed for collaborating with them now the firearms community laying into them.

#### em I'm gonna drain every goddamn slough and low spot I can on my land.
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Mister 308smk.

Please elaborate on the "canola council" problems with Ducks Unlimited.

If anyone else knows of what is happening about gun banning, the canola council, and Ducks Unlimited please post. It is time to investigate what is going on at the canola council.

Especially with a lot of unharvested canola sitting in the field in Alberta.
 
What’s with me? Not that I feel you need or even deserve an explanation but maybe it will make you and others think. I don’t believe expressing my views or opinions is meddling in anything! Free country, so far.
Never felt the need to post before. I ordered something six seconds ago and haven’t got a response or shipping label doesn’t really bother me! I have ordered sea monkeys from the back of a comic book with a money order. It seems like a lot of first world “ problems “ on here and it’s not my thing.
As for du, went to a banquet along long time ago, bought a bobby ore framed signed jersey, puck picture thing. It’s really nice but I regret not buying the crossbow and the shotgun. They went for a lot less than what I paid for the Jersey, but I was told that I did get a great deal on it! But I thought what the heck it’s going to a good cause!
Fast forward to Christmas, my wife started working for a new business and that business took the entire staff and their spouses out to a ducks Unlimited banquet for the company Christmas party. It was an excellent evening, everybody had lots of fun and spent a lot of money on auctions, silent auctions and draws. There was lots of friendly competition among people who know everybody in the room and bidding ran up a lot of items so that people had to pay more than they really wanted for items but everybody thought this going to a good cause. I said to my wife that that was really fun and I hope they do the same thing again next year as I was already looking forward to seeing what firearms they might have next year? Maybe something I just had to have? Because it’s all going to a good cause.
Now if at any time during the night someone from du would’ve stood up and said folks we don’t support hunters, we don’t support your right to own firearms and we don’t care what the government is going to do in this next round of firearm bans but please make sure to pay the lady on the way out. I’m pretty sure the only people that would’ve been left in the auditorium would have been the local volunteers and I think most of them would have felt pretty embarrassed.
Maybe it’s my fault for not going on their website and reading their mandate now but I was just under the assumption that ducks was still for duck hunters and hunters and shooting in general, my bad. In light of new information coming out in this dark hour firearms owners are facing, I guess they don’t. But “I” get to choose how “I” react to that news and do what “I” think is a reasonable response for me. I believe a lot of other people feel the same way, that du has mislead people for a very long time in order to get their hard-earned dollars. With all the new information coming forward I don’t believe ducks needs our donations compared to the political donations/funding they receive but it probably is some gravy on the mashed potatoes if you know what I mean. I just wish people would get over this duck said this, he/she said that. Let’s focus on what we have to face coming at us from the government and get unified and make a stand so that we can enjoy our guns period. If you think they’re only after black guns you better think again, it may not be in this next swoop but they’re coming. I have everything from cowboy action to PRS and I stand to lose a lot if this goes ahead. I grew up shooting beer bottle caps off a tree that my dad pound in there and driving around the countryside shooting gophers. If we don’t get together and get together fast on this soon we will all be sitting around coffee shops talking about the guns we used to have and the good old days. I hope my punctuation was a lot better in this long winded rant as some people may accuse this of being, to me it’s just an explanation of where I stand and why.
 
Ajax148 said:
What’s with me? Not that I feel you need or even deserve an explanation but maybe it will make you and others think. I don’t believe expressing my views or opinions is meddling in anything! Free country, so far.
Never felt the need to post before. I ordered something six seconds ago and haven’t got a response or shipping label doesn’t really bother me! I have ordered sea monkeys from the back of a comic book with a money order. It seems like a lot of first world “ problems “ on here and it’s not my thing.
As for du, went to a banquet along long time ago, bought a bobby ore framed signed jersey, puck picture thing. It’s really nice but I regret not buying the crossbow and the shotgun. They went for a lot less than what I paid for the Jersey, but I was told that I did get a great deal on it! But I thought what the heck it’s going to a good cause!
Fast forward to Christmas, my wife started working for a new business and that business took the entire staff and their spouses out to a ducks Unlimited banquet for the company Christmas party. It was an excellent evening, everybody had lots of fun and spent a lot of money on auctions, silent auctions and draws. There was lots of friendly competition among people who know everybody in the room and bidding ran up a lot of items so that people had to pay more than they really wanted for items but everybody thought this going to a good cause. I said to my wife that that was really fun and I hope they do the same thing again next year as I was already looking forward to seeing what firearms they might have next year? Maybe something I just had to have? Because it’s all going to a good cause.
Now if at any time during the night someone from du would’ve stood up and said folks we don’t support hunters, we don’t support your right to own firearms and we don’t care what the government is going to do in this next round of firearm bans but please make sure to pay the lady on the way out. I’m pretty sure the only people that would’ve been left in the auditorium would have been the local volunteers and I think most of them would have felt pretty embarrassed.
Maybe it’s my fault for not going on their website and reading their mandate now but I was just under the assumption that ducks was still for duck hunters and hunters and shooting in general, my bad. In light of new information coming out in this dark hour firearms owners are facing, I guess they don’t. But “I” get to choose how “I” react to that news and do what “I” think is a reasonable response for me. I believe a lot of other people feel the same way, that du has mislead people for a very long time in order to get their hard-earned dollars. With all the new information coming forward I don’t believe ducks needs our donations compared to the political donations/funding they receive but it probably is some gravy on the mashed potatoes if you know what I mean. I just wish people would get over this duck said this, he/she said that. Let’s focus on what we have to face coming at us from the government and get unified and make a stand so that we can enjoy our guns period. If you think they’re only after black guns you better think again, it may not be in this next swoop but they’re coming. I have everything from cowboy action to PRS and I stand to lose a lot if this goes ahead. I grew up shooting beer bottle caps off a tree that my dad pound in there and driving around the countryside shooting gophers. If we don’t get together and get together fast on this soon we will all be sitting around coffee shops talking about the guns we used to have and the good old days. I hope my punctuation was a lot better in this long winded rant as some people may accuse this of being, to me it’s just an explanation of where I stand and why.
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Excellent post. Well thought out and written.
 
I find it rich that JR, who cares little about folks beyond his pockets, thinks DU is a shill and won't support them.

DU is ducking the dollars and we have places to hunt. They're neutral, not against. Last I checked they have firearms raffles and prizes at dinners.

Now TSE on the other hand had thrown firearms owners under the bus. That's still true.
 
Ajax148 said:
What’s with me? Not that I feel you need or even deserve an explanation but maybe it will make you and others think. I don’t believe expressing my views or opinions is meddling in anything! Free country, so far.
Never felt the need to post before. I ordered something six seconds ago and haven’t got a response or shipping label doesn’t really bother me! I have ordered sea monkeys from the back of a comic book with a money order. It seems like a lot of first world “ problems “ on here and it’s not my thing.
As for du, went to a banquet along long time ago, bought a bobby ore framed signed jersey, puck picture thing. It’s really nice but I regret not buying the crossbow and the shotgun. They went for a lot less than what I paid for the Jersey, but I was told that I did get a great deal on it! But I thought what the heck it’s going to a good cause!
Fast forward to Christmas, my wife started working for a new business and that business took the entire staff and their spouses out to a ducks Unlimited banquet for the company Christmas party. It was an excellent evening, everybody had lots of fun and spent a lot of money on auctions, silent auctions and draws. There was lots of friendly competition among people who know everybody in the room and bidding ran up a lot of items so that people had to pay more than they really wanted for items but everybody thought this going to a good cause. I said to my wife that that was really fun and I hope they do the same thing again next year as I was already looking forward to seeing what firearms they might have next year? Maybe something I just had to have? Because it’s all going to a good cause.
Now if at any time during the night someone from du would’ve stood up and said folks we don’t support hunters, we don’t support your right to own firearms and we don’t care what the government is going to do in this next round of firearm bans but please make sure to pay the lady on the way out. I’m pretty sure the only people that would’ve been left in the auditorium would have been the local volunteers and I think most of them would have felt pretty embarrassed.
Maybe it’s my fault for not going on their website and reading their mandate now but I was just under the assumption that ducks was still for duck hunters and hunters and shooting in general, my bad. In light of new information coming out in this dark hour firearms owners are facing, I guess they don’t. But “I” get to choose how “I” react to that news and do what “I” think is a reasonable response for me. I believe a lot of other people feel the same way, that du has mislead people for a very long time in order to get their hard-earned dollars. With all the new information coming forward I don’t believe ducks needs our donations compared to the political donations/funding they receive but it probably is some gravy on the mashed potatoes if you know what I mean. I just wish people would get over this duck said this, he/she said that. Let’s focus on what we have to face coming at us from the government and get unified and make a stand so that we can enjoy our guns period. If you think they’re only after black guns you better think again, it may not be in this next swoop but they’re coming. I have everything from cowboy action to PRS and I stand to lose a lot if this goes ahead. I grew up shooting beer bottle caps off a tree that my dad pound in there and driving around the countryside shooting gophers. If we don’t get together and get together fast on this soon we will all be sitting around coffee shops talking about the guns we used to have and the good old days. I hope my punctuation was a lot better in this long winded rant as some people may accuse this of being, to me it’s just an explanation of where I stand and why.
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Thank you!
Sure no clarification required of course but it is appreciated and I do agree with your points.

There are still a lot of people out there that don't see DU for what they have become so I don't think it hurts to keep the fire going for a bit.
It's also keeps the petition at the forefront so after about a week when the petition closes things will calm down I'm sure.
 
rem338win said:
I find it rich that JR, who cares little about folks beyond his pockets, thinks DU is a shill and won't support them.

DU is ducking the dollars and we have places to hunt. They're neutral, not against. Last I checked they have firearms raffles and prizes at dinners.

Now TSE on the other hand had thrown firearms owners under the bus. That's still true.
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being neutral means you do not support.
 
1-trident-1 said:
being neutral means you do not support.
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Agreed!

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