InRange did an interesting Battle Rifle face off video, actually video's, 4 or 5 in all. The old fellas (G3, M14, FN) didn't fare that well in their less than scientific test. Having said that, it was fairly unbiased and about as good a face off as civilians could do. Spoiler, Alex R. will have been very happy with the results.
Why I Despise the M14...
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I thought it he had many valid points. I love the M14 but the M16 is hands down a better rifle or they wouldn’t still be using it. The FN and AR10 would definitely still been a better choice than the M14.
It truly was the rifle that should not have been. Like it or not the man speaks a lot of truth.
It truly was the rifle that should not have been. Like it or not the man speaks a lot of truth.
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Truth hurts.
well they still use both. better is subjective. each has its merits. to say the m16 is hands down better is inaccurate. m16 can clear a room, m14 can clear a house
ipscgraz
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Just my opinion, but I would add to the list the many USGI M14's that were imported into Canada.
If the US Army Ordnance guys hadn't piXXed around with powder (and bullet weight?) etc. the M16 would have had a far better reputation.
The original IMR 4475 powder was difficult to produce in wartime mass production quantity, as was the M16 itself.
Not that the M14 wasn't also difficult to correctly manufacture, but at least its production process involved tried and true traditional methods, not CNC machining and other methods that were cutting edge at the time.
Not that the M14 wasn't also difficult to correctly manufacture, but at least its production process involved tried and true traditional methods, not CNC machining and other methods that were cutting edge at the time.
I used to allow myself to get caught up in these stupid gun reviews but in the end it's just another gunnie circle jerk.
who cares?
you either like the platform or you don't. In Canada these are civilian rifles , not military arms so how they did or did not perform in combat or what military may or may not still be using them is all just fluff and nonsense.
I like the m14 because it is a simple, robust, 30 caliber firearm that will take serious abuse yet it is easy to clean and maintain. All that and they are a lot of fun to shoot.
period.
I don't care about any of the fluff presented on the various gun reviews or articles as no ones opinion on the rifles I shoot matter more than my own.
I will share one opinion about the history of the M14 rifle in the Vietnam era and I feel it was a mistake to issue the rifle with the flash hider and barrel length that were then standard.
I think if the M14 E2 stocks were a little better thought out and made a little less robust and the rifle itself was standardizes with a 18 to 19" barrel and 3 prong flash hider, the M14 rifle history would be very different. Having shot both the AR rifles and the M14 rifles, if I was dropped in a jungle for war fare..... I know what rifle I would want but now I am contributing to the "fluff" I hate so much in these AR vs M14 endless circle jerks
who cares?
you either like the platform or you don't. In Canada these are civilian rifles , not military arms so how they did or did not perform in combat or what military may or may not still be using them is all just fluff and nonsense.
I like the m14 because it is a simple, robust, 30 caliber firearm that will take serious abuse yet it is easy to clean and maintain. All that and they are a lot of fun to shoot.
period.
I don't care about any of the fluff presented on the various gun reviews or articles as no ones opinion on the rifles I shoot matter more than my own.
I will share one opinion about the history of the M14 rifle in the Vietnam era and I feel it was a mistake to issue the rifle with the flash hider and barrel length that were then standard.
I think if the M14 E2 stocks were a little better thought out and made a little less robust and the rifle itself was standardizes with a 18 to 19" barrel and 3 prong flash hider, the M14 rifle history would be very different. Having shot both the AR rifles and the M14 rifles, if I was dropped in a jungle for war fare..... I know what rifle I would want but now I am contributing to the "fluff" I hate so much in these AR vs M14 endless circle jerks
I will share one opinion about the history of the M14 rifle in the Vietnam era and I feel it was a mistake to issue the rifle with the flash hider and barrel length that were then standard.
I think if the M14 E2 stocks were a little better thought out and made a little less robust and the rifle itself was standardizes with a 18 to 19" barrel and 3 prong flash hider, the M14 rifle history would be very different. Having shot both the AR rifles and the M14 rifles, if I was dropped in a jungle for war fare..... I know what rifle I would want but now I am contributing to the "fluff" I hate so much in these AR vs M14 endless circle jerks
Agreed, if they had gone with a shorter barrel and capped it with something along the lines of the SEI "Good Iron" muzzle brake, they would have had a much more "shootable" rifle with little effort.
I believe the idea is the guy in the video is trying to say that for Military use it is hands down better. The fact that you can carry twice the ammo and have more accurate hits on full auto is hard to deny. Yes the 308 has much more power but isn’t an injured soldier better as it takes people to take care of them.well they still use both. better is subjective. each has its merits. to say the m16 is hands down better is inaccurate. m16 can clear a room, m14 can clear a house
Don’t get me wrong if it’s just one on one the bigger projectile is going to win and I love the M14 and the Mini 14 which is my coyote gun and is unbelievably reliable.
The whole "injure 1 and take 4 out" is an old myth. In reality, no one is going to stop fighting until they won the firefight so self aid it is in hope your survive to be carried by 4. Also, no army teaches its soldier to shoot to wound.
On another note, m14 were put back in service for the afghan war as a sharp shooter rifle with great success.
The biggest problem is that there aren't going to be many more surplus rifles that people can buy
or rebuild into a non restricted rifle.
The Chinese did a great service in making a reasonable inexpensive copy of an m14 rifle. It is non restricted at this time and many of been sold over the year's. In doing so, the rifle has developed a following
and many people have taken the time to produce parts and make them better.
There are better rifles out there, but the Crown has made most of them prohibited or restricted.
or rebuild into a non restricted rifle.
The Chinese did a great service in making a reasonable inexpensive copy of an m14 rifle. It is non restricted at this time and many of been sold over the year's. In doing so, the rifle has developed a following
and many people have taken the time to produce parts and make them better.
There are better rifles out there, but the Crown has made most of them prohibited or restricted.
never heard of him in all my years of researching the m14.
I personally know a Vietnam vet, though I have not seen him in a very long time. He was pretty honest about the firearms he was issued and was part of the early deployments and did multiple tours. Training during the conflict between deployments he became part of a counter sniper and recon group, operating at night. His two rifles of choice were the m14 and the issued bolt action sniper rifle. I remember him telling me that the guys that had mechanical aptitude , fielded the m14 well but the "dumb ones" were always having problems. He told me that clearing the bolt lugs and always being aware of where the gas system was in relation to mud was key in jungle fighting with the m14.
nobody has heard of him either, doubt he ever did a gun review or wrote an article about nuthin….. but I'd take his real life experiences with the m14 and his advice to heart. I did.... and all my m14 rifles are as reliable as my finest bolt actions. I've hunted lots in the wet and wintery BC forests with these rifles and they have never let me down. To me that is all that matters and I try and stay off youtube as it is just the endless circle jerk.
Kinda like how my 1st gen dodge w250 single cab 4x4 with the 5.9 cummins is the best truck ever . Puts those fords and chevs to shame
same argument.
The M14 was intended to replace the BAR, Greasegun, M2 Carbine, and M1 Garands.
It failed at these tasks. The M16 filled the gap of the Greasegun. Long story short, they found they needed both the M14 and the M16 for different military situations. There is no best or worst rifle, they all have their time and place. Since WWII, in most military engagements are won by artillery. Rarely are marksmen needed. Usually artillery or airstrikes are called in, or wait for armour. Thus most troops only need a lower powered personal defence weapon.
For all intents and purposes in Canada, M14 is a deer rifle and M16 is a target rifle.
It failed at these tasks. The M16 filled the gap of the Greasegun. Long story short, they found they needed both the M14 and the M16 for different military situations. There is no best or worst rifle, they all have their time and place. Since WWII, in most military engagements are won by artillery. Rarely are marksmen needed. Usually artillery or airstrikes are called in, or wait for armour. Thus most troops only need a lower powered personal defence weapon.
For all intents and purposes in Canada, M14 is a deer rifle and M16 is a target rifle.
300Spartans
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It's a great deer and black bear rifle. If you're a really good shot, you can give a grouse a heart attack.
