Blaze Orange

No blaze requirement here in Alberta. I hunt from a ground blind on private land. I still put on a blaze toque going to/from the stand or when I'm checking cameras. Being on private land with sole permission doesn't mean there isn't road hunters or trespassers about so I choose to be a bit more visible when moving about. That being said there was numerous days last season I didn't put my blaze toque on but wore my brown one and I never felt I was in any danger. The walk to my blind(s) is across open fields to a couple small bush lots and my blind(s) are located on the edges of the field/bushlines. It would take a real jackass not to recognize a man walking to/from them. Even one in camo such as myself.
 
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3macs1 said:
No you wouldn't you love hunting too much you would dress head to toe orange as I do and buy orange toilet paper also since that flash of white having a crap has taken some out here over the years :(
Christ I dam near got taken out yesterday snowblowing my driveway when a lady went sideways and crashed into the bank in my driveway
Scared the crap out of me the bumper actually moved my coat
Hunting is much safer
Cheers
That being said I just cannot get my head around how anyone don't care what color clothes they have on shoots a man thinking it is a rabbit F'ken unreal

3 men were rabbit hunting in Weymouth, N.S., when one got separated from group and was shot
CBC News · Posted: Jan 27, 2020 11:02 AM AT | Last Updated: January 27
A 20-year-old man was shot but is expected to survive after a hunting accident in Weymouth, N.S., Sunday afternoon.

Digby RCMP were called shortly after 2:30 p.m. to Digby General Hospital after a man showed up with a gunshot wound. The man, who is from Digby County, was shot while rabbit hunting near Fort Point Road with two other men, police said in a news release.

The three men were out hunting when one of them got separated from the others. Police said one of the men shot at what he thought was a rabbit and injured the 20-year-old.
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I used to hunt big game four to six weeks every year, but I am at the point, where I still hunt 30-40 days per year for upland birds and waterfowl, but I never carried a rifle the last two years. I acted as a guide/mentor to new hunters the last two years, and we hunted private property, that we had exclusive access to. In fact, I have only carried a rifle once in the last five years, and that was three years ago to hunt pronghorn, where you can see other hunters for miles. I used to hunt elk in a place where hunting pressure was light, but then more and more people started showing up, so we quit hunting there, and I haven't hunted elk since.. I don't feel comfortable in congested areas, that would be normal in many locations, a 160 acre parcel to hunt is on the small side to me. If I had to share 160 acres with two or three other hunters, that I didn't know, I wouldn't bother.
 
trevj said:
It shouldn't fly, but according to what the guys from out that way are saying, it apparently does.

Sorry you feel that way.

Personally, I am stunned both by those that are so convinced it makes all the difference, wearing orange, as well as by the anecdotes they use as supporting evidence. Makes me even more happy to be here, not there.

Dude, to be perfectly clear, I am not the one claiming the high incidence of idiots afoot in the woods out parts East, the folks that are convinced that they are safer, for being required by law to wear a particular color, are claiming it.

As I implied by my previous. Either the media has been completely ignoring the carnage wrought among us guys not wearing orange, or someone is telling lies about the general efficacy of the stuff in the first place. The logical conclusion, since there does not seem a lot of hunters being shot by other hunters out here, is that if you really need that orange coat to feel safe, you must be walking among, well, retards...
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Yeah I shouldn’t have centered you and ardent out. The truth is that shooting at noises or movement shouldn’t “fly” with any decent hunter or hunting group. It just gets annoying when threads like these take a western self-righteous turn.

I firmly believe that if you took a hundred random hunters from any province you’d find the same proportion of idiots across the board. And to that end, if you dropped those random 100 BC hunters into the confines of a typical SW Ontario deer drive you might find yourself feeling more comfortable if you were highly visible. Just trying to say that the circumstances of our hunting may be different but as hunters we are all the same.
 
Runningfool said:
We are all hunters here. East, west and everywhere in between. Fact: there are idiots among us.

But for some reason, on CGN at least, those from the western provinces seem to think the ratio of jerks to good guys is somehow different in their area. Why do you think that is? Something in the water? Geography? Is it the animals we hunt? Genuinely curious as to why so many of these hunting threads end up with western hunters putting down other hunters? You don’t see it going the other way.

Ardent, do you think BC hunters are better people because they get to hike around with brown bears on their backs instead of orange? Trevj, do you believe that shooting at movement/noises would fly with the average Ontario hunting party? If you think for one minute that your backyard doesn’t have the same percentage of retards as mine then imo you are either ignorant or you are one of the retards.
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I actually don’t at all agree with your assessment of proportions of poor decisions being equal everywhere, the assumption that’s a rule of nature is, to avoid using your own term you through my way, wrong. Education and equipment, rules, and culture are the answer. If you put a BC mountain hunter in a deer drive they’d be bewildered, I know I would be.

Here, it’s an absurd thought somebody would shoot at movement. Many of our regs, often maligned as odd here such as counting the points on only one side of a bull / buck, or incredibly razor thin judgements of sheep maturity by horn curl, or the voluntary but heavily encouraged ###ing of hard to determine animals (goats) pushes for hunters here to take a lot of time gauging an animal and with better optics than a rifle scope. Where I sit now just south of the Northwest Territories I’m in moose heaven, lots of 60” bulls, but still you need either ten points on ones side, or three on one brow, and the points have to meet strict dimension criteria. That rather negates shooting at movement, and there are more bulls here per square kilometer than most of the places movement is purportedly shot at. We also don’t do game drives here, and weekend hunting is less common in the west than as you move East. I don’t think we’re better or in any kind of competition, I do think it is however vastly different.

You want to assume I’m a retard I encourage you to, it lets me know under what value to file future posts and opinions from this account. Culture is different in the west hunting wise, there’s a lot more roaming, and from what I can perceive from clients much less of a rush. The optics are better, everyone I hunt with here has a spotting scope worth more than their rifle, and often Binos to accompany it which can equal the spotter for expense, or replace it in bush hunting. Couple the optics with many different species with many different requirements and folks end up behind the glass for a long time before a rifle is pointed at it. And if you shoot a 9 point bull where the 10th point doesn’t qualify, or a under curl ram, you’re going to pay. Or take a nanny or young goat and you have to hide the skull in the shed as while legal, few would want it on display from the hunting culture.

My assessment anyhow, not stated as law for the way it is, but how I see it. Stricter requirements for what’s a legal animal even in areas of plenty (no cow harvests, bull requirements), better hunter education, better equipment, and building a hunting culture of respect will take care of more problems than ski clothing ever can. :cheers:
 
Ardent said:
Here, it’s an absurd thought somebody would shoot at movement.
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This may come as a shock to some but it would be considered an absurd thought here as well! See to me that’s the ignorant part; the assumption that where you are it is absurd, implying elsewhere it is not. I certainly do not think you are retarded.
 
One thing I think is different with Ardent ( and he can respond to that ) and his hunting is I wonder how many times does one guy make the decision to pull the trigger. I bet 95% of the time the guide is right behind the shooter saying OK that is a good one take him. You don't get that here since guiding is not common now other than moose which is like 300 licences a year from a draw and it doesn't matter what is on it's head cow or bull or calf just moose
Also it is clear sound shots is something never performed out west as we see some idiots do here and I hope they never are
Cheers
 
It does as it's repeated here in these discussions, and accident reports of hunters shooting each other. In BC they shoot each other from time to time, but there's usually an agressive grizzly involved or the like.

Better? No we're all human. Very different? Absolutely. And I don't think if you transplanted one of my guys to New Brunswick their behaviour with a gun would suddenly change, nor do I think everyone east of the mountains and prairies shoots at movement. I'm judging solely based on what I see in the news, and unfortunately, the extreme minority of poor decision makers get by far the most coverage. I do note a lot less of these incidents in BC, and put it down to target identification, rules, equipment, and hunting culture.
 
Ardent said:
It does as it's repeated here in these discussions, and accident reports of hunters shooting each other. In BC they shoot each other from time to time, but there's usually an agressive grizzly involved or the like.

Better? No we're all human. Very different? Absolutely. And I don't think if you transplanted one of my guys to New Brunswick their behaviour with a gun would suddenly change, nor do I think everyone east of the mountains and prairies shoots at movement. I'm judging solely based on what I see in the news, and unfortunately, the extreme minority of poor decision makers get by far the most coverage. I do note a lot less of these incidents in BC, and put it down to target identification, rules, equipment, and hunting culture.
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For sure. Here is one thing I know. You guys would think we are crazy for hunting as we have to down here and I think you guys are crazy hunting where grizz and cougars roam and have HUGE balls
I would be scared ####less LOL
Take care
 
3macs1 said:
Both places east and west have idiots hunting for sure we just have more hunters including idiots per square mile in way way thicker woods
Cheers
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True, we had a rash of out of town idiots two years ago that were driving around shooting at anything they saw in fields. Sometimes they were shooting from their truck windows, what they failed to realize was it was someone property and not crown and usually the owners house was blocked by trees a couple hundred yards off the road. Not to mention shooting from the paved road etc, all of them were from the city and had no clue where anyone lived locally. We haven’t had it happen much the last season or so, or at least I haven’t heard of it happening lately.
 
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trevj said:
It shouldn't fly, but according to what the guys from out that way are saying, it apparently does.

Sorry you feel that way.

Personally, I am stunned both by those that are so convinced it makes all the difference, wearing orange, as well as by the anecdotes they use as supporting evidence. Makes me even more happy to be here, not there.

Dude, to be perfectly clear, I am not the one claiming the high incidence of idiots afoot in the woods out parts East, the folks that are convinced that they are safer, for being required by law to wear a particular color, are claiming it.

As I implied by my previous. Either the media has been completely ignoring the carnage wrought among us guys not wearing orange, or someone is telling lies about the general efficacy of the stuff in the first place. The logical conclusion, since there does not seem a lot of hunters being shot by other hunters out here, is that if you really need that orange coat to feel safe, you must be walking among, well, retards...
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Do you do deer drives with 6-8 other hunters in small 50-100 acre parcels of thick brush where 30-40 yards is a long shot and visibility is limited?

Do you hunt 25-100 acre public bushlots where you may encounter large groups of other hunters ranging from very experienced to completely new?

How about running coyotes with hounds where you might have a dozen guys scattered throughout a large block of bush?

These are just a few examples of how being highly visible is safer for everyone. Personally, I felt no need for orange and thought it was ridiculous when I hunted alone or in small groups on private land. Different styles of hunting for different terrain.


It's comical how your ignorance/ego leads you to believe you're superior to eastern hunters simply because we're legally required to wear orange for a small portion of the season.
 
Don't need orange in the NWT but do where I hunt deer in Manitoba. Not an issue one way or the other. Had a doe admire my orange jacket from 12 feet away this year.
 
the spank said:
No blaze requirement here in Alberta. I hunt from a ground blind on private land. I still put on a blaze toque going to/from the stand or when I'm checking cameras. Being on private land with sole permission doesn't mean there isn't road hunters or trespassers about so I choose to be a bit more visible when moving about. That being said there was numerous days last season I didn't put my blaze toque on but wore my brown one and I never felt I was in any danger. The walk to my blind(s) is across open fields to a couple small bush lots and my blind(s) are located on the edges of the field/bushlines. It would take a real jackass not to recognize a man walking to/from them. Even one in camo such as myself.
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The problem is that you never know when you can run into a real jackass, every province has them. Here in Alberta a couple years back somebody in full camo was carrying a deer decoy......:confused:.......f:P:2:........ and got shot......:rolleyes:
 
Ardent said:
Frankly, if those were my hunting options, I would travel.
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And that's what I have done many times...

Where I hunt in ONT now is private property. With the same 3-4 guys for 30 years. We see a few deer, never see any people. It's great.

When I have gone out west (all in the USA - WY, MT, NB, NM) I only wore camo and never felt uncomfortable.
As Ardent said, we had to make sure the Elk met certain conditions, so shooting anything was the last thing on your mind - getting a good look at it through some good glass was the FIRST thing you wanted to do so you could make your decision to shoot or not.

Shooting at antelope you are very careful, as generally the does are mingling around the trophy buck you are trying to get and you need to make sure you dont clip a doe with your shot.
Shooting mulies is much the same, you will see lots of them so you look them over to make sure this is the one to shoot.

WE NEVER did that in ONT. You see a deer you shoot the deer....you might only see one.

When I went deer hunting in MI, PA, WI everyone wears Orange, and for good reason. Tons of hunters, shooting at everything, and a good number of them piss drunk.
A season doesn't pass in MI where a hunter isn't shot and killed.

The hunting conditions affect the need for Orange. Looking at an elk 500 m away is vastly different than driving a swamp trying to push deer out.

I think the hunting style & conditions and abundance (or lack) of game make a big difference in the need for Orange
 
3macs1 said:
I'm sorry Cat but you would not last one season here with that hat on. I just hope they donot gut you after :( It was the same pattern jacket I was wearing when I got shot at years ago
Cheers
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I often hunt in an area where there are several hunters around, and my main hunting area near town is near a ATV staging area.
I have never feared for my safety around these places, if I did even wearing orange would not get me out hunting big game.
Cat
 
3macs1 said:
No you wouldn't you love hunting too much you would dress head to toe orange as I do and buy orange toilet paper also since that flash of white having a crap has taken some out here over the years :(
Christ I dam near got taken out yesterday snowblowing my driveway when a lady went sideways and crashed into the bank in my driveway
Scared the crap out of me the bumper actually moved my coat
Hunting is much safer
Cheers
That being said I just cannot get my head around how anyone don't care what color clothes they have on shoots a man thinking it is a rabbit F'ken unreal

3 men were rabbit hunting in Weymouth, N.S., when one got separated from group and was shot
CBC News · Posted: Jan 27, 2020 11:02 AM AT | Last Updated: January 27
A 20-year-old man was shot but is expected to survive after a hunting accident in Weymouth, N.S., Sunday afternoon.

Digby RCMP were called shortly after 2:30 p.m. to Digby General Hospital after a man showed up with a gunshot wound. The man, who is from Digby County, was shot while rabbit hunting near Fort Point Road with two other men, police said in a news release.

The three men were out hunting when one of them got separated from the others. Police said one of the men shot at what he thought was a rabbit and injured the 20-year-old.
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Was the guy that got shot wearing orange ?
 
woodchopper said:
what's that saying

it's so good its mandatory :)

but yes I can see how some forms of hunting, pushing deer, group hunting, etc that you would want to be wearing bright colours


I spend most of the day hunting on a quad covering ground, and honestly I might see one or 2 other guys back in the bush, it really doesn't matter what I wear so I dress for comfort.
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Driving on a quad most of the day hunting is an oxymoron, IMO.
 
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