Max shotgun rounds per the RCMP

caramel said:
For what it's worth, on a canada geese hunt this fall on the Ontario side, i had a chat with a conservation officer that i know personally.

I ask him about the shell i put on the carrier plate of my Benelli M4, and i was told that if the shotgun is properly plugged, anything else is irrelevant.

He call my shell on the carrier plate, a magical trick, he told me he was impress, it was funny, we had some laughs. At the end, i was told, that he could not charge someone for that.
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Interesting. It's neither in the magazine nor the chamber, however its over the 3 round limit. The way the law is written, it seems to me that ghost loading is legal IF the gun is plugged, but if the gun only had a 2-shot magazine to begin with then it wouldn't be legal.

(d) with a shotgun of any description capable of holding more than three shells unless the capacity of the gun has been reduced to three shells in the magazine and chamber combined, by means of the cutting off or the altering or plugging of the magazine with a one-piece metal, plastic or wood filler that cannot be removed unless the gun is disassembled;
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https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/C.R.C.,_c._1035/FullText.html

If it is capable of holding more than 3, it's illegal unless the gun is modified to hold 3 in the mag/chamber combined...? "capable of holding more than 3 shells" doesn't specify it has to be in the chamber or magazine, but it does specify magazine and chamber when limiting the capacity by means of a plug etc.
 
Whether exactly the law or not I wouldn’t ghost load for waterfowl as that’s a sporting restriction. The load three max is obvious in intent and has a rational purpose.
 
I love these threads! Begging for someone to tell you "no"! Odds the issue every comes up IRL? I'm going LottoMax for the win. #### ing stupid threads like this are the bane of all gunowners. At times I am glad there are only a small number of the 2.2 million on file gunowners that are on this site.
 
I've contacted the RCMP a number of times and always received excellent responses and information.

Mind you, I've never asked their opinion on gun related topics, as their opinion is irrelevant, but I've found they have great suggestions for dinner ideas and I've even received a couple awesome recipes!
 
pauls said:
I've contacted the RCMP a number of times and always received excellent responses and information.

Mind you, I've never asked their opinion on gun related topics, as their opinion is irrelevant, but I've found they have great suggestions for dinner ideas and I've even received a couple awesome recipes!
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Runningfool said:
The opinion of one CO, given to an out-of-province hunter, sometime last fall is worth even less than a letter from Karri....but slightly more than what my cousin Leroy’s neighbour’s nephew said in 1972. Thanks.
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It was not an opinion, merely a nice conversation with a good person.

He did learn from me what ghost loading was.
Like he told me, he had never seen that before. Actually even here not many know about ghost loading.


If you take life to seriously, it might kill you. JP.
 
pauls said:
I've contacted the RCMP a number of times and always received excellent responses and information.

Mind you, I've never asked their opinion on gun related topics, as their opinion is irrelevant, but I've found they have great suggestions for dinner ideas and I've even received a couple awesome recipes!
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They seem to have a good handle on the recipe to boil a frog.
 
Suther said:
Interesting. It's neither in the magazine nor the chamber, however its over the 3 round limit. The way the law is written, it seems to me that ghost loading is legal IF the gun is plugged, but if the gun only had a 2-shot magazine to begin with then it wouldn't be legal.


https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/C.R.C.,_c._1035/FullText.html

If it is capable of holding more than 3, it's illegal unless the gun is modified to hold 3 in the mag/chamber combined...? "capable of holding more than 3 shells" doesn't specify it has to be in the chamber or magazine, but it does specify magazine and chamber when limiting the capacity by means of a plug etc.
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This is the problem with trying to "over-interpret" the law. According to what you posted, you would need to plug the magazine to 1 round on any shotgun that can be ghost loaded. Whether you're ghost loading or not is irrelevant, only the fact that you CAN ghost load matters.

So I just go ahead and ghost load, trying to understand why I can't ghost load gives me a headache. :)
 
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