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Dek68 said:
I have, I do and did. BUT am not willing to voice or offer any forms of evidences of my actions on a public forum.

That said, one 'act' we quickly decided upon (me n my wife) was to leave the UK lock, stock and barrel... and then from Manitoba. However, the grass is never greener but long term change is a welcome pre-cursor for peaceful living until the next planned move.
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Good for you, but never loose faith, the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, sometimes you may have to wear tinted glasses but believe it, it is greener. :)
Cheers John
 
Dek68 said:
I have, I do and did. BUT am not willing to voice or offer any forms of evidences of my actions on a public forum.

That said, one 'act' we quickly decided upon (me n my wife) was to leave the UK lock, stock and barrel... and then from Manitoba. However, the grass is never greener but long term change is a welcome pre-cursor for peaceful living until the next planned move.
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So your plan is to just keep running away from things? Right, got it. That will sure fix everything. :rolleyes:

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Dek68 said:
absolutely bugger all wrong with my syntax, grammar or spelling there 'mate'. have you ever considered it to be your lack of comprehension or understanding? another worthwhile contribution to an excellent thread.
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And I really fail to see how you are contributing at all? You just jump on someone’s thread to tell everyone they are wrong. Go make your own contentious thread!
 
Mr Wolverine said:
Sadly you are correct, I agree with you, but I will never stop trying to effect change. When we stop we have accepted defeat, and that is not for me.
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THIS.

This is the hardest thing to achieve. We all start rowing in the same direction. Until...

That is when we splinter and become less efficient in our goals, and lose all sight of what we're actually aiming for.

But to get back on point. Your O.P. is encouraging folks to join (IMO) the enemy. Same team different kit. Politicians really don't give a flying fig about us when they acquire their power, settle into their 'roles' and play at running our country, spending our monies, and sending pour children to die in illegal wars.

Last time I voted was back in the 80's. A snot nosed kid who knew everything. Supported Thatcher for 3 reasons only. i, F.ck the IRA ii, F.ck the argies iii, wouldn't be bullied by Scargill and his cronies. The first two turned out to be mis-informed jingoistic and possibly racist overtures, the third purely because Scargill wouldn't condemn those that killed that bloke in the taxi on his way top work. My point is, it took years to realize I was lied to, by something I 'believed' in...

Personally, I'd be all for storming parliament with a few hundred thousand like minded citizens and giving what for to the whole bloody lot of them. But then again, Canada has never had revolution.... Yet? peace.
 
jiffx2781 said:
So your plan is to just keep running away from things? Right, got it. That will sure fix everything. :rolleyes:

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Possibly. But staying put, taking the same sh!t decade after decade has got you where exactly? On an Internet forum, anonymously posting for / against all 'n' sundry. Still getting up, going to work paying your taxes and complaining. At least I am complaining about different subjects, however abject or unreal they may be to others. My kids have had a far better start to life in our years here than we could ever have wished for in England. So, YES. It has fixed everything we were concerned with in the UK, and later Manitoba. Thanks for the clarification and concern. peace.
 
chev-mekanik said:
And I really fail to see how you are contributing at all? You just jump on someone’s thread to tell everyone they are wrong. Go make your own contentious thread!
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I haven't stated the thread is contentious, and by your very own admission, maybe YOU need a lesson in comprehension as I haven't told anyone they are wrong, incorrect or otherwise... I do however stand by my statement that "democracy" and the "democratic" process is flawed and highly irregular...
 
Dek68 said:
THIS.

This is the hardest thing to achieve. We all start rowing in the same direction. Until...

That is when we splinter and become less efficient in our goals, and lose all sight of what we're actually aiming for.

But to get back on point. Your O.P. is encouraging folks to join (IMO) the enemy. Same team different kit. Politicians really don't give a flying fig about us when they acquire their power, settle into their 'roles' and play at running our country, spending our monies, and sending pour children to die in illegal wars.

Last time I voted was back in the 80's. A snot nosed kid who knew everything. Supported Thatcher for 3 reasons only. i, F.ck the IRA ii, F.ck the argies iii, wouldn't be bullied by Scargill and his cronies. The first two turned out to be mis-informed jingoistic and possibly racist overtures, the third purely because Scargill wouldn't condemn those that killed that bloke in the taxi on his way top work. My point is, it took years to realize I was lied to, by something I 'believed' in...

Personally, I'd be all for storming parliament with a few hundred thousand like minded citizens and giving what for to the whole bloody lot of them. But then again, Canada has never had revolution.... Yet? peace.
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You are so right but this is not the time or place to debate your views, most here will not understand where you are coming from, your views are radical for Canada, at this time, but I understand them.
 
Dek68 said:
I haven't stated the thread is contentious, and by your very own admission, maybe YOU need a lesson in comprehension as I haven't told anyone they are wrong, incorrect or otherwise... I do however stand by my statement that "democracy" and the "democratic" process is flawed and highly irregular...
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Yes, far from perfect, but a lot better than some. I would like to see a lot of Parlimentry reform, for example, time is long overdue for a triple E senate, equal, elected and effective.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
You are so right but this is not the time or place to debate your views, most here will not understand where you are coming from, your views are radical for Canada, at this time, but I understand them.
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Seriously? Radical? I thought I had toned them down in the last 12 years or so, and have been much more accommodating ...

I thought they (my comments) might've opened up the realization that Canada is as much a 2 party state as the USA / UK et al and democracy doesn't work in these places either.

My apologies, and I'll STFU and move on. peace.
 
Dek68 said:
Seriously? Radical? I thought I had toned them down in the last 12 years or so, and have been much more accommodating ...

I thought they (my comments) might've opened up the realization that Canada is as much a 2 party state as the USA / UK et al and democracy doesn't work in these places either.

My apologies, and I'll STFU and move on. peace.
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I think you may have misunderstood what I was trying to get across, this is a public forum! no apologies needed, would be pleased to meet you any time you are passing. Sadly I doubt you and I will ever put the world right.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
Sadly you are correct, I agree with you, but I will never stop trying to effect change. When we stop we have accepted defeat, and that is not for me.
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Correct, you must never give up. But right now I'm listening to a bunch of people yelling at parliament/the police for not going in and busting up protesters for doing the only thing they think they can, which is break the law, to get heard. The same thing happened in the 20's and 30's, and a lot of people had to die for us to get workers rights in this country. What's different now, people losing their jobs? That's not new.
We all need to start doing the same thing if we want to facilitate real change in this world, because the status quo ISN'T BUDGING!
 
Dek68 said:
THIS.

This is the hardest thing to achieve. We all start rowing in the same direction. Until...

That is when we splinter and become less efficient in our goals, and lose all sight of what we're actually aiming for.

But to get back on point. Your O.P. is encouraging folks to join (IMO) the enemy. Same team different kit. Politicians really don't give a flying fig about us when they acquire their power, settle into their 'roles' and play at running our country, spending our monies, and sending pour children to die in illegal wars.

Last time I voted was back in the 80's. A snot nosed kid who knew everything. Supported Thatcher for 3 reasons only. i, F.ck the IRA ii, F.ck the argies iii, wouldn't be bullied by Scargill and his cronies. The first two turned out to be mis-informed jingoistic and possibly racist overtures, the third purely because Scargill wouldn't condemn those that killed that bloke in the taxi on his way top work. My point is, it took years to realize I was lied to, by something I 'believed' in...

Personally, I'd be all for storming parliament with a few hundred thousand like minded citizens and giving what for to the whole bloody lot of them. But then again, Canada has never had revolution.... Yet? peace.
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So let me get this straight. You discovered you were duped due to your belief in a political party or political movement in your younger years, so now you have matured and have decided that all political parties and democracy itself is not worth your time. I agree with you on most of your points unfortunately democracy and capitalism is one big #### sandwich and we all have to take a bite whether we like it or not because the alternatives as seen in the past are a lot worse. So that being said when I have to take a bite I don't want the aftertaste to linger any longer than it has too. So I try to vote for a party that is the easiest to choke down before I have to take another bite.Right now the liberal party just makes me want to puke, day in day out.
 
Dek68 said:
Those that do not vote have MORE of a 'right' to complain than the sheep that do vote. If no one votes it declares the highly contentious debacle that is democracy illegitimate and defunct... peace.
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If voter turnout was less than 50% would the government dissolve, all it's previous decrees made void, and it's laws go unenforced? What if it were 30% ? 20% ?

No, I don't think so either, so I'll be voting in self-defense.
 
If you are joining, whatever you do, do not give them a real phone number. They are like Terminators...they absolutely will not stop calling you, ever. Even after being told not to call you. Even after being reported for still calling. They just will not stop.

Give em the local Liberal riding office for a number if you must.
 
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