I often hear people say that the 284 class is over-populated, but realistically you're only going to find two 7mm options at most stores, the other 7mm's are pretty obscure by most people's standards. I think the issue with the 284 class is more that you have a hard time convincing people to buy something other than a 7mm-08 or Rem Mag and that's hard to do with slow twists and lighter bullets.
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I often hear people say that the 284 class is over-populated, but realistically you're only going to find two 7mm options at most stores, the other 7mm's are pretty obscure by most people's standards. I think the issue with the 284 class is more that you have a hard time convincing people to buy something other than a 7mm-08 or Rem Mag and that's hard to do with slow twists and lighter bullets.
I think you are making my point. The 7mm field is full of dead and dieing cartridges on life support. The 7 Rem did a good job of killing them off. I like a big 7 as much as the next guy, but to be a marketing success you’ve got to grab some mass appeal. As handloaders we can keep our own rifles running as long as we can find brass; but that doesnt make a cartridge thrive.
What I'm suggesting is that with better marketing, you'd be able to introduce a successful 7mm. Pretty much any shop will carry at least 5 different .30 cals, conversely most shops* carry 0 quarter bores. People also seem to forget that no one was clamoring for a dump of new 6.5's when the Creedmoor came out.
*When I say "most shops" I'm referring to generalist stores that have an ammo selling sporting goods section. A place like Cabela's will carry more .25 cals, but they also carry more .30's.
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I've had likely 8 or 9 different 300 wsm's. Might have experienced one jam in a thousand. No different than any other.
It's available pretty much everywhere around here . The 7mm WSM ammo is hard to find . I picked up two boxes for a buddy of mine at a small local gunshop , he was very appreciative . I was in there picking something else up and happened to notice them . Strangely enough , the owner said they'd been sitting on his shelf for about two years . That makes me believe that there aren't a lot of them around locally . I haven't seen any 325WSM ammo for some time either , now I think about it .
True story.
If someone thinks a 300 WSM "jams" it's because they had a rifle that was not working properly, or they don't know much about the topic and are just regurgitating nonsense from the critics of all things new from almost 20 years ago.
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Friend of mine has a savage stainless in 7wsm. He loves it and has built up a little stockpile of brass but it's taken him quite some time. Too bad it hasn't caught on enough because if I was to want a wsm, it would be the 7mm.
True story.
If someone thinks a 300 WSM "jams" it's because they had a rifle that was not working properly, or they don't know much about the topic and are just regurgitating nonsense from the critics of all things new from almost 20 years ago.
I agree. As I mentioned earlier I have had several rifles over the last 19 years chambered in a variety of WSM and WSSM cartridges. All of them - 3 Browning A-Bolts, a Winchester M70 and a Ruger M77 - fed cartridges from the magazine like a fat kid slurping hot dogs at a picnic.
It's like when the unknowing go on about how the 375 Ruger "won't feed as well as the 375 H&H, because the H&H case is long and tapered and the Ruger has straight sides"
True story.
If someone thinks a 300 WSM "jams" it's because they had a rifle that was not working properly, or they don't know much about the topic and are just regurgitating nonsense from the critics of all things new from almost 20 years ago.
I’ll agree with that. My WSMs feed in CRF actions so smoothly that I’ve made a bit of a game out of passing people one of them just to watch their face. People talk about feeding but get a blank look when mag and rail timing comes up.
It's like when the unknowing go on about how the 375 Ruger "won't feed as well as the 375 H&H, because the H&H case is long and tapered and the Ruger has straight sides"
Is that the same conversation where:
A) The “useless belt” is criticized for being on one of the few cartridges it isn’t useless on?
Or:
B)The belt is declared to cause feeding problems, despite being on one of the slickest feeding cartridges ever made?
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My buddy bought a abolt in 300. Wsm at the same time I bought a .243 wssm ( win super short magnum.) boy I sure wish I had bought the 300wsm.The lil .243 wsssm destroyed every animal I shotwith it,i. Talking massive amounts of bloodshot even far away from the bullet holes was a mess.I shot one bear with it andit broke every rib on the exit side of the animal,just pure mess.
I traded it on a .308 and never looked back,my buddy still has the 300 wsm and has taken a lot of whitetails with it,he has zero complaints except ammo is expensive.
I traded it on a .308 and never looked back,my buddy still has the 300 wsm and has taken a lot of whitetails with it,he has zero complaints except ammo is expensive.
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Bloodshot meat has NOTHING to do with a CARTRIDGE ! and ALL to do with the Bullet Construction - Range and Velocity ! RJ
Admittedly, we had four 300 wsm rifles show up in camp when they became the rage .... Two were semi benelli's, which fed fine, one was rem 700 which was hit and miss and the other was a model 70 push feed that was a real pita.....
Is that the same conversation where:
A) The “useless belt” is criticized for being on one of the few cartridges it isn’t useless on?
Or:
B)The belt is declared to cause feeding problems, despite being on one of the slickest feeding cartridges ever made?
A belt is not useless on a H&H, it’s just an obsolete cartridge design. Belted cartridges feed fine- just like straight wall cartridges.
As others have said, you traded away something to fix a problem that was actually caused by your own bullet choice.
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That was the problem,when I bought the rifle there wasn't any bullet choice except what was being sold at the same shop I got the gun,I remember they were winchester ammo in silver cases with black coated bullets and red hard nylon tips.not sure what the weight on them were ,but no other choice really as they were a new cal and no selection.I shot bears up close and deer 100 yards plus,too much damage for me.
I do remember they were big game rounds ,I didn't expect that kind of damage.I have used 30-06 with light and heavy bullets for a long time ,45/70 even longer,and never made a mess out of an animal like that little .243 wssm.those that are saying it was bullet choice ,well there certainly wasn't any selection of ammo back then on te shelves,and I don't know any local shops that even carry the wssm ammo.ive never seen it in years .
I still see quite a good selection for .300 wsm.
