How many Norinco M305 M14 have been built over the years? And also this
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Coyote Ugly
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco
It's interesting that Norinco is one of the worlds largest Defence Contractors with 276,600 employees in 2015. They must know what they are doing.
How many people do LRB and SEI employ?
Is SEI considered a defence contractor with supplying the Crazy Horse M14 rifle to the US Army?
Is LRB similar to Springfield Armoury and considered a commercial company for the gun collector and shooter and not a defence contractor?
Having said that it seems their are quality control problems listed with all 4 brands mentioned above and none are perfect.
It's interesting that Norinco is one of the worlds largest Defence Contractors with 276,600 employees in 2015. They must know what they are doing.
How many people do LRB and SEI employ?
Is SEI considered a defence contractor with supplying the Crazy Horse M14 rifle to the US Army?
Is LRB similar to Springfield Armoury and considered a commercial company for the gun collector and shooter and not a defence contractor?
Having said that it seems their are quality control problems listed with all 4 brands mentioned above and none are perfect.
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Well the new Nork M14's are garbage with MIM bolts that explode, so I don't know how knowledgeable they really are today.
There are serious QC issues with the T97 and T81's as well, they don't seem to be able to built their staple rifles for crap regardless of how many people they employ.
There are serious QC issues with the T97 and T81's as well, they don't seem to be able to built their staple rifles for crap regardless of how many people they employ.
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Coyote Ugly
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I would bet more Chinese M14's made it in to the USA during the brief few years they were allowed there than all the chinese M14's to make it into Canada over the last 32 years since they were first imported in 1988.
SEI never made large volumes of M14, and in many cases, built their rifles on reclaimed Norinco and Polytech receivers until fairly recently when they released a billet-machined offering in small production quantities.
LRB and 7.62MM and Fulton have all made them in much larger numvers than SEI, and SA Inc. is the most prolific of all commercial makers IMHO.
Hitzy - don't blame the chinese. Blame their Canadian clients.
Obviously the Chinese are capable of making decent guns. They make great SKS rifles, made great M14 clones, made decent M4 clones, etc. They just landed a rover on the moon FFS.
The issue is Canadian importers that force them to build to a certain price point. Chinese labour costs have krept up over the years and they need to cut corners so North Sylva can sell a rifle at a $699 or less price point.
With the T81, if they used the same design approach as the AK, the 2 rivets you're pointing out should be different. The trunion rivets have to be softer leaded rivets, the other rivets have to be harder. The trunion rivets have to give a little, the rest have to hold hard. As far as the drilling etc, yes, they can be off and shouldn't be.
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Dude those rivets are fine and not going anywhere.
You should have played the ak game in the 80's and 90's. They were no better, were often crooked, and held up great. People didn't treat them with kid gloves and a Rolex eye for detail.
The only difference is the t81 sells for enough money that ppl somehow expect better than what it is designed to be.
The left rivet isnt on a receiver flat, it's a radius, so the rivet is in enough to do its job, it is contacting the receiver. It's just there to prevent the trunion moving forward.
Would love to see a crooked drilled trunion that you claim exists. Never seen one. I have seen warped receiver pressings though.
You should have played the ak game in the 80's and 90's. They were no better, were often crooked, and held up great. People didn't treat them with kid gloves and a Rolex eye for detail.
The only difference is the t81 sells for enough money that ppl somehow expect better than what it is designed to be.
The left rivet isnt on a receiver flat, it's a radius, so the rivet is in enough to do its job, it is contacting the receiver. It's just there to prevent the trunion moving forward.
Would love to see a crooked drilled trunion that you claim exists. Never seen one. I have seen warped receiver pressings though.
I though this was an M14 discussion...… wtf is that T81 crap doing in here LOL
for those who aren't aware, Lee Emerson , who also goes by the forum name 'different' , is the go to m14 historian for the vast knowledge base he has compiled
look up The History and Development of the M14 by lee emerson on google. the link is thru the forum milsurps.###
many of the common questions about the past life of these rifles are answered or at least elaborated on in Lee's work.
I have found it an invaluable source of information over the years.
for those who aren't aware, Lee Emerson , who also goes by the forum name 'different' , is the go to m14 historian for the vast knowledge base he has compiled
look up The History and Development of the M14 by lee emerson on google. the link is thru the forum milsurps.###
many of the common questions about the past life of these rifles are answered or at least elaborated on in Lee's work.
I have found it an invaluable source of information over the years.
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Coyote Ugly
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I agree they are over priced, but all the bent guns I saw had measurably warped receivers or the trunion holes in the stamping were crooked. I've yet to see one where the trunion bore was measurably off center.
They should be a $600 gun, but even for $600, everyone would complain and demand perfection. Lol.
+1.
In my totally unbiased opinion, msc and it's knowledge library is a great resource.
