CZ 457 ProVarmint Suppressor-Ready vs. Ruger 10/22 Competition

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Hi, so I posted a thread a few days ago about my Savage Mkii how I was not very happy with it and I am considering trading it in for an upgrade. The rifle will be used mostly for target shooting, but I plan on taking it out hunting for rabbit every now and then. I was considering one of these 2 rifles. Anybody have any experience with them? Does the CZ have extraction issues like the Savages? How accurate is the 10/22?

The other thing I hear the Tikka T1x is amazing. Im not overly thrilled about the look of the rifle mind you, but is it worth just going with it? If so, I see it can come either 16 or 20 inch barrel? What would be better?

Any other options? I was considering the Ruger American Rimfire Target, but I hear it has extraction issues as well. Thanks!
 
CZ extraction sets the standard that other manufacturers should aspire to. I used a pic of a CZ barrel in your Savage thread to show how an extractor slot should be cut. For 10/22's, never owned one (happy Rem 597 owner here), but I hear you'll have to sink big $$ into them with upgrades to make them shoot.
 
As a general rule bolt actions will shoot better then semi-autos.

A used HB CZ 453, which has a set trigger is another option check the EE.

That said 10-22 can be modified to shoot.

The 1022 competition retails for around a $1000.00. You can build a 1022 with aftermarket parts for that kind of money . Check out Dlask for ready built accurate 1022. Tacsol and Kidd barrels are very accurate

IMHO for maximum rimfire accuracy you require , a good scope , good trigger, proper rest, lot's of ammo testing.

I own a number of Ruger American 22, one of my 18" in a Ruger birch stock is very accurate, more so then the American HB target I owned,
neither suffered from extraction issues.

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Will you be competing with this rifle or just plinking? I’ve owned numerous BRNO/CZ rifles and been pleased with both accuracy and reliability. I have not owned any of the newer variants but read good things on the 457 models. The Ruger will be like flipping a coin. If you do decide a semi is ur thing just buy the parts and build your own. I have a couple now that are extremely accurate and rival my custom bolt guns as far as accuracy. Mystic can help with gun build and he has done well with his in competition. If your at a set budget you could try used. I would find a precision rimfire match in your area and go. Ask questions and introduce yourself. You’ll be invited to handle different guns and see what fits and probably invited to try them. Good luck in your search Chris
 
Yes, if you could get to a rimfire match there would be everything you want to see there and the people are super friendly and would likely even let you try stuff out.
I’m a big CZ fan currently using a 457, I have also a 452 which I’ve flawlessly put thousands of rounds through. Although the CZ’s are typically very accurate which the right ammo choices all factory barrels have limitations. Now more than ever we have a wide variety of custom options available as well as some semi custom offerings from CZ. I have on order and am anxiously awaiting the CZ/area 419 precision trainer elite package with a proof research barrel.
It’s a great time for rimfire shooters!
 
RabidM4U5 said:
CZ extraction sets the standard that other manufacturers should aspire to. I used a pic of a CZ barrel in your Savage thread to show how an extractor slot should be cut. For 10/22's, never owned one (happy Rem 597 owner here), but I hear you'll have to sink big $$ into them with upgrades to make them shoot.
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Thanks a bunch! I'm leaning towards the CZ now. Looks like a good little rifle. I have a standard 1022, was the first firearm I've even bought. Love it and I trust the action.
 
Longstud said:
Will you be competing with this rifle or just plinking? I’ve owned numerous BRNO/CZ rifles and been pleased with both accuracy and reliability. I have not owned any of the newer variants but read good things on the 457 models. The Ruger will be like flipping a coin. If you do decide a semi is ur thing just buy the parts and build your own. I have a couple now that are extremely accurate and rival my custom bolt guns as far as accuracy. Mystic can help with gun build and he has done well with his in competition. If your at a set budget you could try used. I would find a precision rimfire match in your area and go. Ask questions and introduce yourself. You’ll be invited to handle different guns and see what fits and probably invited to try them. Good luck in your search Chris
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Sorry, just target shooting! I don't plan on competing, maybe one day. For now, I just love sitting on the range and trying to get really good groups. Thats why I want a 22lr build so I can afford to sit there all day and not destroy my bank account.
 
Sorry to jump in, but what seems to be the problem with your Savage Mark II? I have one with a stainless bull barrel and it's a tack driver. I do find a need to clean the extractors often to keep it cycling properly. As for accuracy, only Eley Club/match and CCI standard shoots well and do they ever. Perhaps I just got lucky with mine.
 
Airgunnr said:
Sorry to jump in, but what seems to be the problem with your Savage Mark II? I have one with a stainless bull barrel and it's a tack driver. I do find a need to clean the extractors often to keep it cycling properly. As for accuracy, only Eley Club/match and CCI standard shoots well and do they ever. Perhaps I just got lucky with mine.
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Most savage mkii are incredibly accurate especially concerning the price point.
The extraction can be temperamental, enough so that many are turned off these great guns.
 
Airgunnr said:
Sorry to jump in, but what seems to be the problem with your Savage Mark II? I have one with a stainless bull barrel and it's a tack driver. I do find a need to clean the extractors often to keep it cycling properly. As for accuracy, only Eley Club/match and CCI standard shoots well and do they ever. Perhaps I just got lucky with mine.
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Mine is accurate, the problem is the extraction. About 20-25% of the rounds fail to extract. Its really anoying and when I shoot 500+ rounds in an outing to the range I dont enjoy the idea of cleaning it a dozen times. My 1022 can go through 500 rounds with only a handful of failures. Mind you it isn't nearly as accurate.
 
Well, kinda hit a snag. Apparently the CZ model I was looking at is only available in the US. The other offerings CZ has dont appeal to me, I do not like the designs of their stocks at all. I tried looking online, can't find different stocks in Canada, plenty in the US. Does anybody know where to get stocks (not chassis) for these in Canada? If not I may go with the Tikka or just build a 1022.
 
I've had the same issues. I did find taking a stone to both sides of the extractors seemed to help some but did not get rid of the problem completely. I wonder if it's the extractor itself or the design of the savage.
 
DES0LAT0R said:
Well, kinda hit a snag. Apparently the CZ model I was looking at is only available in the US. The other offerings CZ has dont appeal to me, I do not like the designs of their stocks at all. I tried looking online, can't find different stocks in Canada, plenty in the US. Does anybody know where to get stocks (not chassis) for these in Canada? If not I may go with the Tikka or just build a 1022.
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What model were you looking at?
What kind of stock interests you?

Area 419 has a few different stock options In their dresses up models,
They offer options with MDT and MPA chassis as well as
Manners prs1 stock. I have the model with the manners stock and am very happy with the look and feel of that stock!
 
DES0LAT0R said:
Hi, so I posted a thread a few days ago about my Savage Mkii how I was not very happy with it and I am considering trading it in for an upgrade. The rifle will be used mostly for target shooting, but I plan on taking it out hunting for rabbit every now and then. I was considering one of these 2 rifles. Anybody have any experience with them? Does the CZ have extraction issues like the Savages? How accurate is the 10/22?

The other thing I hear the Tikka T1x is amazing. Im not overly thrilled about the look of the rifle mind you, but is it worth just going with it? If so, I see it can come either 16 or 20 inch barrel? What would be better?

Any other options? I was considering the Ruger American Rimfire Target, but I hear it has extraction issues as well. Thanks!
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Hey Desolator-I've been a pretty avid 22LR shooter going on 30 years now, which only makes me experienced. However, "experience" doesn't mean "expert". :) I will say this though-if actual accuracy is what you're after, you'll get there allot quicker (and with fewer modifications) using a bolt gun. I'll also admit that I'm not much of a fan of 10/22s, the one I had..bought new...was the most inaccurate gun I've ever owned. The worst trigger too, which probably played a role. I've only shot a handful of others, all shot better than mine...but not even as well as the cheapest bolt gun I've ever owned. As others have pointed out, a 10/22 can be made to shoot, but it's whether or not you dig that process that counts.

For lots of reasons, including ease of cleaning, a bolt gun makes the most sense to me..whether target shooting OR hunting. If shooting squirrels, it's safe to say long carries are involved, and offhand shots? (no rest, or improvised rest like a tree branch) In those cases, one could argue a lighter gun with a lighter barrel might be the best option. Of the guns you mention in your post, I'd personally recommend the T1X. If the question was "which bolt action 22?" for the purposes you mentioned...I'd be suggesting a CZ452. (or 453, same gun with a set trigger) Here is one of mine, a less common 16" barrel version of the CZ452 American.

I love this photo and over-share it. Apologies to anyone who has seen it 10X. :)

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Part of the reason I'm sharing this photo is to circle back around to the Savage you already have. I didn't see any other conversation about it, but if it's an accuracy issue too...how many types of ammo have you tried? The photo above is from the first or second outing with the gun...showing all the ammo types I ran through it that day. Like reloading for a centerfire, it's a bit of a process determining what the gun shoots best. I've only had maybe 1 or 2 Savage Mark IIs...and neither had an extraction or feeding issue. I've had Savage 93s with magazine issues (you'll know what I mean if you've had the same probably of rounds flying out when you open the bolt) but I'm also pretty serious about my cleaning regiment.

Anyhow, good luck with whatever you pick..and happy hunting/shooting!
 
.22LRGUY said:
Hey Desolator-I've been a pretty avid 22LR shooter going on 30 years now, which only makes me experienced. However, "experience" doesn't mean "expert". :) I will say this though-if actual accuracy is what you're after, you'll get there allot quicker (and with fewer modifications) using a bolt gun. I'll also admit that I'm not much of a fan of 10/22s, the one I had..bought new...was the most inaccurate gun I've ever owned. The worst trigger too, which probably played a role. I've only shot a handful of others, all shot better than mine...but not even as well as the cheapest bolt gun I've ever owned. As others have pointed out, a 10/22 can be made to shoot, but it's whether or not you dig that process that counts.

For lots of reasons, including ease of cleaning, a bolt gun makes the most sense to me..whether target shooting OR hunting. If shooting squirrels, it's safe to say long carries are involved, and offhand shots? (no rest, or improvised rest like a tree branch) In those cases, one could argue a lighter gun with a lighter barrel might be the best option. Of the guns you mention in your post, I'd personally recommend the T1X. If the question was "which bolt action 22?" for the purposes you mentioned...I'd be suggesting a CZ452. (or 453, same gun with a set trigger) Here is one of mine, a less common 16" barrel version of the CZ452 American.

I love this photo and over-share it. Apologies to anyone who has seen it 10X. :)

vy9ycvD.jpg


Part of the reason I'm sharing this photo is to circle back around to the Savage you already have. I didn't see any other conversation about it, but if it's an accuracy issue too...how many types of ammo have you tried? The photo above is from the first or second outing with the gun...showing all the ammo types I ran through it that day. Like reloading for a centerfire, it's a bit of a process determining what the gun shoots best. I've only had maybe 1 or 2 Savage Mark IIs...and neither had an extraction or feeding issue. I've had Savage 93s with magazine issues (you'll know what I mean if you've had the same probably of rounds flying out when you open the bolt) but I'm also pretty serious about my cleaning regiment.

Anyhow, good luck with whatever you pick..and happy hunting/shooting!
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Thanks. I've been considering the Tikka more now that I can't get the CZ I want. I've always disliked the CZ stocks, so I'm having a hard time wanting one now that I can't get it. I have shot a Tikka before (in 30-06) when I worked in Alberta, and it was really nice. Was just unsure about the 22lr version.

As for the 1022, mine groups decently. It's not the best accuracy, but seeing as how it's the base model O am ok with it. I know a bolt gun will be more accurate, just trying to find the right one for me is looking like a challenge.

That being said, I might end up going with the Tikka. Looks like it'll be a good all around little rifle. My local shop has the 20" version, I think I'll check it out the next time I'm there. Thanks!
 
DES0LAT0R said:
Well, kinda hit a snag. Apparently the CZ model I was looking at is only available in the US. The other offerings CZ has dont appeal to me, I do not like the designs of their stocks at all. I tried looking online, can't find different stocks in Canada, plenty in the US. Does anybody know where to get stocks (not chassis) for these in Canada? If not I may go with the Tikka or just build a 1022.
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Boyds ships to Canada and offers quite a selection of stocks. I've ordered two in with no trouble. Our dollar is dropping right now so they are a little more money...
 
.22LRGUY said:
Hey Desolator-I've been a pretty avid 22LR shooter going on 30 years now, which only makes me experienced. However, "experience" doesn't mean "expert". :) I will say this though-if actual accuracy is what you're after, you'll get there allot quicker (and with fewer modifications) using a bolt gun. I'll also admit that I'm not much of a fan of 10/22s, the one I had..bought new...was the most inaccurate gun I've ever owned. The worst trigger too, which probably played a role. I've only shot a handful of others, all shot better than mine...but not even as well as the cheapest bolt gun I've ever owned. As others have pointed out, a 10/22 can be made to shoot, but it's whether or not you dig that process that counts.

For lots of reasons, including ease of cleaning, a bolt gun makes the most sense to me..whether target shooting OR hunting. If shooting squirrels, it's safe to say long carries are involved, and offhand shots? (no rest, or improvised rest like a tree branch) In those cases, one could argue a lighter gun with a lighter barrel might be the best option. Of the guns you mention in your post, I'd personally recommend the T1X. If the question was "which bolt action 22?" for the purposes you mentioned...I'd be suggesting a CZ452. (or 453, same gun with a set trigger) Here is one of mine, a less common 16" barrel version of the CZ452 American.

I love this photo and over-share it. Apologies to anyone who has seen it 10X. :)

vy9ycvD.jpg


Part of the reason I'm sharing this photo is to circle back around to the Savage you already have. I didn't see any other conversation about it, but if it's an accuracy issue too...how many types of ammo have you tried? The photo above is from the first or second outing with the gun...showing all the ammo types I ran through it that day. Like reloading for a centerfire, it's a bit of a process determining what the gun shoots best. I've only had maybe 1 or 2 Savage Mark IIs...and neither had an extraction or feeding issue. I've had Savage 93s with magazine issues (you'll know what I mean if you've had the same probably of rounds flying out when you open the bolt) but I'm also pretty serious about my cleaning regiment.

Anyhow, good luck with whatever you pick..and happy hunting/shooting!
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Great photo!! Reminds me of the first day I took out my Savage MK II. Bought every kind of ammo imaginable and settled on the Eley Club and Eley Match. Amazing how much of a difference ammo can make. Thanks for sharing the photo.
 
Maybe a shameless plug but also first hand experience. I have a CZ 452 and a Tikka in the EE both in Boyds Pro Varmint stocks for a visual reference. While both good shooters the CZ is more accurate IMO than the Tikka for strictly bench shooting,but the Tikka action, 60 degree bolt, and trigger are great.
 
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