Milsurp Investment

cyclone said:
I'm not sure I grasp your post here; the non-8mm "Israeli Mausers" are marked for (and used with) .308, and they and Mausers in .30-06 (or even Model 1917 "Enfields", aka the M-17, aka the "P-17" :p ) can still be had below $1,000 and also should not face ammunition-shortage (or even price) concerns... :yingyang:


"Even" the days of cheap 7.62x54R ammo are quickly appearing in our rear-view mirror... :wave:
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It was just a caution for two people that don't seem to know much about surplus firearms. The OP is dribbling out info as he goes, sooooo.

I am cautioning both of them to know what they're purchasing, especially as it's supposedly an investment. They don't appear to be flush with cash. One sounds like a newbie, wannabe that may or may not have a PAL.

It sounds like the OP "friend" has the cash, so NOW is the time to buy and the 7.62x54 is available NOW. What is it you're missing???
 
SeamusMac said:
That's probably what I'd do but he isn't much for range days and doesn't intend to shoot this much. More of a collector's piece.
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Then buy an antique, such as a Martini Enfield, chambered in 303 British.

You keep dribbling out parameters. Makes it hard to help you, when things change with every post.
 
I wouldn’t buy any military surplus rifle as a investment. The reality is if you want to make money off it, the time to do so has more or less passed (unless there is a real deal that comes up). You will likely be able to sell it for around what you paid for it, maybe a little more, maybe a little less but you can say that for pretty much any used firearm provided you pay the right price.

Tons of things which are better to put your money into if you want to make a real investment (as of today 1200$ will get you more than 50oz of silver which I suspect you would receive a significantly higher return on than any military surplus rifle you buy today).

If I was to buy a military rifle with the conditions of 1200$ or less and common ammo your basically limited to Isreali Mausers or other nations 7.62 conversions (such as the Chilean ones), a Ishapore 2A1 (likely have to import from the states to get a reasonable price), or a Mosin Nagant variant. I would also say the Swiss rifles have fairly common ammo when you buy a crate online (a Gewehr 1911 or K11 with a crate of ammo would be right around 1200$) or a Lee Enfield (though those are buyer beware as there is so many faked, modified, “restored” or otherwise messed with examples out there). Some 30-06 Mausers such as a Brazilian Mauser might fit your description as well. Otherwise common ammo and 1200$ are your limiting factors. There is others with common ammo but they tend to be pricier and tons which are below 1200$ but uncommon ammo.
 
bearhunter said:
It was just a caution for two people that don't seem to know much about surplus firearms. The OP is dribbling out info as he goes, sooooo.

I am cautioning both of them to know what they're purchasing, especially as it's supposedly an investment. They don't appear to be flush with cash. One sounds like a newbie, wannabe that may or may not have a PAL.

It sounds like the OP "friend" has the cash, so NOW is the time to buy and the 7.62x54 is available NOW. What is it you're missing???
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I have a fair bit more knowledge than him but still very little relative to a lot of folks here. He has had a license of some flavour back a long ways but had very little interest in anything but his 30-06, 12g and 23 until we started working together a few years ago.

He has money now and wants to invest now.

bearhunter said:
Then buy an antique, such as a Martini Enfield, chambered in 303 British.

You keep dribbling out parameters. Makes it hard to help you, when things change with every post.
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I do appreciate the help but I’m just attempting to clarify when I add more details. I don’t think I changed any parameters, perhaps I should have been more specific in my original post.

Would a Martini Enfield be capable of handling modern loads?
 
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bearhunter said:
It was just a caution for two people that don't seem to know much about surplus firearms. The OP is dribbling out info as he goes, sooooo.

I am cautioning both of them to know what they're purchasing, especially as it's supposedly an investment. They don't appear to be flush with cash. One sounds like a newbie, wannabe that may or may not have a PAL.

It sounds like the OP "friend" has the cash, so NOW is the time to buy and the 7.62x54 is available NOW. What is it you're missing???
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Just that 7.62x54R availability is exponentially drying-up; what is "now" is rapidly changing, and that's worth realizing/noting... :yingyang:


I wish it wasn't so, but that doesn't change reality.. :wave:
 
Thanks for the response Eaglelord, some solid suggestions there! Gold or silver would undoubtedly be a better investment if profits were the only concern but you can’t take your precious metals out to the range every Canada Day and use them to blast targets! Hahaha.

Responsible financial planning aside I reckon it’s better to enjoy whatever money you can while you can!
 
OP for 1100 you can buy at least 2 rifles that are available right now on dealer's shelfs. These are Swiss G11 and M1891/30 Mosin. These rifles are available at set price. Buy what's available now and wait unill they grow in value. Both rifles can be shot with available ammo and they will grow in value anyways.
 
Mosin 91/30 is still decent value even better if you can hand pick one. As far as Swiss rifles go they already reached their maximum last year. Look at tradex website they sit there and are not selling. Guns with good upside potential despite their already high price are German 98 family Mausers
 
wojnar said:
Mosin 91/30 is still decent value even better if you can hand pick one. As far as Swiss rifles go they already reached their maximum last year. Look at tradex website they sit there and are not selling. Guns with good upside potential despite their already high price are German 98 family Mausers
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K31 was at Tradeex website listed for 250-280$ for 3-4 years. It was looking that nobody want to buy them. I rifle will never reach maximum (only if is prohibited).
 
cyclone said:
Just that 7.62x54R availability is exponentially drying-up; what is "now" is rapidly changing, and that's worth realizing/noting... :yingyang:


I wish it wasn't so, but that doesn't change reality.. :wave:
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How on earth did you manage to turn around my post into that????

I wrote it before and I will again. Milsurp ammo will dry up, not a maybe. It will be gone and it may eventually be done by Parliamentary legislation or by OIC, or it will just get all sold off.

IT IS HOWEVER AVAILABLE NOW. What did you miss???
 
SeamusMac said:
I have a fair bit more knowledge than him but still very little relative to a lot of folks here. He has had a license of some flavour back a long ways but had very little interest in anything but his 30-06, 12g and 23 until we started working together a few years ago.

He has money now and wants to invest now.



I do appreciate the help but I’m just attempting to clarify when I add more details. I don’t think I changed any parameters, perhaps I should have been more specific in my original post.

Would a Martini Enfield be capable of handling modern loads?
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My apologies for being trite.

Yes, a Martini Enfield will handle modern loads without any problems, There is also a Martini Metford. The only difference is the style of rifling. One has sharp edged rifling, that is the Enfield type. The other has rounded rifling that looks worn out to some, that's Metford style.

Both are just fine with modern ammo.
 
bearhunter said:
My apologies for being trite.

Yes, a Martini Enfield will handle modern loads without any problems, There is also a Martini Metford. The only difference is the style of rifling. One has sharp edged rifling, that is the Enfield type. The other has rounded rifling that looks worn out to some, that's Metford style.

Both are just fine with modern ammo.
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Great suggestions, I’ll add those to the list.
 
bearhunter said:
How on earth did you manage to turn around my post into that????

I wrote it before and I will again. Milsurp ammo will dry up, not a maybe. It will be gone and it may eventually be done by Parliamentary legislation or by OIC, or it will just get all sold off.

IT IS HOWEVER AVAILABLE NOW. What did you miss???
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There's no need for your post to get defensive; previously mentioned was how .303 and .30-06 surplus dried up, and I've just added that 7.62x54R is rapidly drying up... :wave:
 
I have a beautiful Jungle Carbine with a bayonet that I might be prepared to sell under the right conditions.
It won't be cheap.

No.5.Mk.1 Lee-Enfield – JUNGLE CARBINE
MANUFACTURER: BSA Shirley
MODEL: No. 5 MK1
SERIAL NUMBER: BB 9724
CALIBER: 303 British
Post-war ROF, Poole bayonets are marked with a “P” inside a small circle. (My bayonet)















 
SeamusMac said:
Howdy Folks,

A co-worker recently came into some money and he would like to invest in a milsurp, which will be his first. We often talk about investing in firearms and I'm always touting milsurps as an interesting way to do that but I've never had anywhere near $1000 to spend on a milsurp in one go so I have no idea what he should be looking at - thoughts?

Budget: Min. $600 Max. $1100

Requirements are:

One firearm only.
Non-restricted and not a semi-auto.
Chambered in a caliber that can readily be found online, does not want to reload.
No longer than 54" in OAL.

Suggestions so far include:

Israeli K98k in 7.62
M1903 Springfield
FN-24
Lee Enfield No. 1 Mk. 3
Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk. 1 or 2
K-31
Russian or Finnish Mosin Nagant M91/30
Russian Capture K98k
P14/M1917 Enfield
Swedish Mausers
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Of those you listed, israeli K98k's and enfields hold the most promise from what I have seen of the market, but with COVID-19 burnin and turnin, now is not the time to buy luxury products for "investment".

Have your friend look into US dollars or bullion coins.
 
Claven2 said:
Of those you listed, israeli K98k's and enfields hold the most promise from what I have seen of the market, but with COVID-19 burnin and turnin, now is not the time to buy luxury products for "investment".

Have your friend look into US dollars or bullion coins.
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Silver fail from 24 to 17.90$ in few days.
 
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