How long till we see wide spread Sustenance hunting ?
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Ardent
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pete dobinson
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Yup, over 500,000 American lives lost to the spanish flu.
DaveMachine
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I think one big factor with the Japanese response to the tsunami is that they have an extremely homogenous/cohesive society - something that most western countries don't really have due to years of mass immigration. Obviously that may not be the case in smaller, rural communities but it sure is in urban areas.
But yeah, a bit early to panic like it's TEOTWAWKI.
I will second this.... Please educate me as well...
But the population recovered, thanks to Spanish Fly.
The vaccine will become available, predicting a year plus at this point. It is affecting many people so anti-bodies are being produced by survivors, it all adds to the overall data package so some intelligent research decisions can be made. This is a droplet driven contagion not air borne is my understanding so a major plus. Being contagious pre-symptomatic is bad news, hence social distancing. The virus will also mutate to match its host given the proper conditions (which is how it came to us) and is why they are constantly having to develop new vaccines. This is far worse than any garden variety flu as it is also a guaranteed killer of those with compromised immunities. Italy is only reporting deaths that happen under care at this time, the final count will be much higher unfortunately. This could be a 1 in 9 like the spanish flu. There will be a difference in how this flu works as I believe the Spanish flu killed pretty much everyone healthy or not. I could stand corrected on that. Crowd size was also a factor in the Spanish flu. No cases in our area yet and my town trip yesterday indicates people are taking this very seriously. Lined up six feet apart outside the liquor store with the manager outside directing traffic. Lumber stores, pharmacy, fuel and grocery stores were open, parking was a breeze
Still no TP but everything else I had on the list and enough of everything. Cannot have enough respect for the people showing up for work and running tills etc. in the grocery store. Bandstra Trucking is based out of Smithers and they are making sure things are getting moved. This is going to be a long haul.
As far as sustenance hunting I would say there would be an uptick whereby hunters will probably be inclined to harvest meat for family and friends where in the past they may have been far more selective. For example your BIL is laid off with three kids, you might take two deer where permitted instead of one, things like that.
Still no TP but everything else I had on the list and enough of everything. Cannot have enough respect for the people showing up for work and running tills etc. in the grocery store. Bandstra Trucking is based out of Smithers and they are making sure things are getting moved. This is going to be a long haul.As far as sustenance hunting I would say there would be an uptick whereby hunters will probably be inclined to harvest meat for family and friends where in the past they may have been far more selective. For example your BIL is laid off with three kids, you might take two deer where permitted instead of one, things like that.
Also a man no arms no legs in a pile of leaves....
Ardent
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The vaccine will become available, predicting a year plus at this point. It is affecting many people so anti-bodies are being produced by survivors, it all adds to the overall data package so some intelligent research decisions can be made. This is a droplet driven contagion not air borne is my understanding so a major plus. Being contagious pre-symptomatic is bad news, hence social distancing. The virus will also mutate to match its host given the proper conditions (which is how it came to us) and is why they are constantly having to develop new vaccines. This is far worse than any garden variety flu as it is also a guaranteed killer of those with compromised immunities. Italy is only reporting deaths that happen under care at this time, the final count will be much higher unfortunately. This could be a 1 in 9 like the spanish flu. There will be a difference in how this flu works as I believe the Spanish flu killed pretty much everyone healthy or not. I could stand corrected on that. Crowd size was also a factor in the Spanish flu. No cases in our area yet and my town trip yesterday indicates people are taking this very seriously. Lined up six feet apart outside the liquor store with the manager outside directing traffic. Lumber stores, pharmacy, fuel and grocery stores were open, parking was a breeze
As far as sustenance hunting I would say there would be an uptick whereby hunters will probably be inclined to harvest meat for family and friends where in the past they may have been far more selective. For example your BIL is laid off with three kids, you might take two deer where permitted instead of one, things like that.
Appreciated that post and a lot of good points, however I don’t think this will even prove to be a shadow of the Spanish Flu for mortality.
Confirmed cases can only be confirmed with tests, and a coworker and a friend (isolating at home before they even came on shift) have been home with mild symptoms and as a result told to stay there, ie. not tested and confirmed. See notable confirmed cases of people influential enough to receive immediate tests; Boris Johnson, Tom Hanks, Sophie Trudeau, Idris Elba, Prince Charles and on... that many celebrities don’t become infected just because of their circles. Covid-19 is far more widespread than most think, and far lower impact than most think. All those above report mild symptoms, like the common cold.
It definitely impacts those with respiratory issues or weak immune systems, and is highly contagious. But it also definitely will not spur the end of the world, governments right now have accepted the majority of people will become infected, and many of compromised health will become extremely ill. The capacity to deal with that doesn’t exist, and it’s particularly concerning in the US due to their health care model. Many will enjoy left in insurmountable medical debt, and put off seeking help too long. And due to the American tradition of individualism, many won’t properly heed isolation or social distancing directives.
I suspect the infection rate is dozens of times the confirmed / tested rate, and with deaths being the only semi reliable number right now, I also suspect the lethality is far, far below many current assumptions. Majorly disruptive event, but not cataclysmic.
I do agree with you on the final outcomes. The spanish flu comment was more directed at Italy where the numbers are impossibly skewed as the death count has been guesstimated at twice what is reported. It could be like that in the states given their third world health care model. Best hospitals in the world, just not for everybody. Germany's fatality rate is miniscule compared to Italy so that needs to be analyzed. Different mortality rates for different places only raises more questions?? How we behave is certainly a factor. Wish I would have asked my grandparents what it was like to live through the Spanish flu pandemic. Must have made this look like a cake walk.
pete dobinson
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Most of the people in Canada that died during the spanish flu pandemic were between 20-40 years of age.
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Because the men spent the previous years chain smoking, breathing noxicous chemicals, and living in wet filth trenches. All things not conducive to good lungs.
Damn ####ing straight.:Canada: And when it comes time to help people, I don’t give a damn if they have an accent or are a different colour than I am,
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