Best PCC using glock mags in 45acp

Mikeyman

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Hi all I thought I would start this thread because most of the content so far focuses on 9mm.

I have a glock 41 that I plan use in 3 gun matches but I would like a carbine that takes glock 21/41 mags for matches where targets are all within 50-70 yards. Targets further out I have an AR in 223 for. A few years ago I almost bought a jr carbine but they were having lots of issues in 45acp. I have played around with a full length vector and I hated all that weight out front.

I should say I don't care if its restricted or not...

Thanks,
Mike
 
Vector SBR .45 ACP is the obvious answer to your question, priced new in the $1900 range


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HK USC .45 ACP is a less obvious choice for approximately $1800. If you have a bit more money you might be able to find a Tommybuilt USC to UMP .45 conversion for roughly $4K. A genuine UMP .45 will set you back a cool $10,000 (+)


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If you are wealthy and have an "in" to jump the queue, there is the LWRC SMG45 for something like $3500! Other purely civilian designs such as the JR Carbine suck balls and are complex/difficult to strip and assemble for maintenance. Your selection of the .45 ACP severely limits your available options. If you expand your horizons to include .40 S&W, then the FAMAE SAF-40 is an outstanding choice, as is the HK UMP-40:


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Further expand your horizons to include 5.7x28mm and the FN PS-90 is available for around $3500 in short-Barrel form:


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And if you surrender to the inevitable and broaden your criteria to include that weakling 9mm, then the sky's the limit!
 
Nice collection there Mark, well done. I see that you are fully committed to the Holosun RDS, I'm jumping in with both feet as well. 509t for the Masada and a 510t and new magnifier for the 300blk SBR. Hows the performance been? and the features? battery life? any "druthers"? .Thoughts on the "closed emitter" version your running over the 510t? Stay safe.
 
Looks like the restricted Kriss is a good bet. What I really want is an AR in 45 that takes Glock mags for muscle memory of controls. I saw PSA made one in the 1k range but hasn’t been available in Canada or through IRG.
 
If you're not in a rush, Robinson Arms is in the design stage of an XCR pistol calibre carbine. The idea is to have it multi calibre. If it takes Glock mags (no word on that yet) it could become a close enough option for you if you really want an AR feel. I handled (but not shot) a vector once and the controls are WAY different than an AR. mag release is hit by your left thumb for instance...
 
Yeah good point the ergonomics on the vector would take some time to get used to. I hadn’t heard of an xcr pistol carbine coming out might be a good option. With all matches shut down right now I guess I have time to wait...
 
Nice collection there Mark, well done. I see that you are fully committed to the Holosun RDS, I'm jumping in with both feet as well. 509t for the Masada and a 510t and new magnifier for the 300blk SBR. Hows the performance been? and the features? battery life? any "druthers"? .Thoughts on the "closed emitter" version your running over the 510t? Stay safe.

I've gone pretty much exclusively to Holosun for my my new handgun MRDS purchases as well as their larger multi-reticle Red Dot optics for my PCCs. There is not much not to like about Holosun in terms of innovation, performance and rugged durability. Their 507C and even moreso their new Titanium 508T series of MRDS give the RMR real competition for half the price, with a slew of advanced features that the RMR simply cannot match. I've been running 8 RMRs, 5 Deltapoint Pros, 1 Vortex Venom and 1 Razor, 1 Mepro, 2 Aimpoint ACROs, and 6 Holosun 507C or 508Ts (and counting) on my pistols and PCCs, alongside a couple of MROs, a Triicon Reflex, an Aimpoint T1, and several Holosun HS 515CU sights. Suffice it to say that I've had plenty of opportunity to compare the various offerings alongside one another. I am admittedly not running operations with any of my sights these days, however I can certainly still judge them on the basis of build quality, optical quality, features, basic performance, and so forth. There is also a ton of online video content to assist in formulating opinions with destructive testing of most brands and round-count testing that most of us will never approach in our lifetimies!

The recent Holosun 508T with the Green Circle-Dot Reticle is my current personal favourite among the Micro optic offerings. With their Shake-Awake technology, Solar back-up and ability to run without batteries on even artificial ambient room light, there is not much to dislike about the 507C and 508T series pistol/PCC sights. For my PCC/Short-Range Carbines I currently favour the very recent Holosun HS 512, which is essentially the 510 open-emitter design enclosed with a redesigned and improved solar power system. It works great with the Holosun or other brands of Magnifier, as you have discovered with the HS510 series. Exact same idea with the HS512, only with the added convenience of accessible protective lens surfaces for cleaning. And the confidence that comes from knowing that nothing can interfere with the laser emitter and the reflective screen that the reticle is displayed upon. No worries about snow, dirt/dust, debris, etc. I quite like the new 512 with the subdued "Holosun" advertising.

So far my Holosun optics have routinely outperformed my expectations for their price-point. Battery life with the solar-assist models is virtually indefinite. They are rugged and dependable, with the new Titanium housings taking those qualities to a previously unknown height that is easily the match of Trijicon's best. Just check out Aaron Cowan's (Sage Dynamics) destructive testing of the latest Holosun optics on Youtube. Impressive performance is an understatement.
 
I've gone pretty much exclusively to Holosun for my my new handgun MRDS purchases as well as their larger multi-reticle Red Dot optics for my PCCs. There is not much not to like about Holosun in terms of innovation, performance and rugged durability. Their 507C and even moreso their new Titanium 508T series of MRDS give the RMR real competition for half the price, with a slew of advanced features that the RMR simply cannot match. I've been running 8 RMRs, 5 Deltapoint Pros, 1 Vortex Venom and 1 Razor, 1 Mepro, 2 Aimpoint ACROs, and 6 Holosun 507C or 508Ts (and counting) on my pistols and PCCs, alongside a couple of MROs, a Triicon Reflex, an Aimpoint T1, and several Holosun HS 515CU sights. Suffice it to say that I've had plenty of opportunity to compare the various offerings alongside one another. I am admittedly not running operations with any of my sights these days, however I can certainly still judge them on the basis of build quality, optical quality, features, basic performance, and so forth. There is also a ton of online video content to assist in formulating opinions with destructive testing of most brands and round-count testing that most of us will never approach in our lifetimies!

The recent Holosun 508T with the Green Circle-Dot Reticle is my current personal favourite among the Micro optic offerings. With their Shake-Awake technology, Solar back-up and ability to run without batteries on even artificial ambient room light, there is not much to dislike about the 507C and 508T series pistol/PCC sights. For my PCC/Short-Range Carbines I currently favour the very recent Holosun HS 512, which is essentially the 510 open-emitter design enclosed with a redesigned and improved solar power system. It works great with the Holosun or other brands of Magnifier, as you have discovered with the HS510 series. Exact same idea with the HS512, only with the added convenience of accessible protective lens surfaces for cleaning. And the confidence that comes from knowing that nothing can interfere with the laser emitter and the reflective screen that the reticle is displayed upon. No worries about snow, dirt/dust, debris, etc. I quite like the new 512 with the subdued "Holosun" advertising.

So far my Holosun optics have routinely outperformed my expectations for their price-point. Battery life with the solar-assist models is virtually indefinite. They are rugged and dependable, with the new Titanium housings taking those qualities to a previously unknown height that is easily the match of Trijicon's best. Just check out Aaron Cowan's (Sage Dynamics) destructive testing of the latest Holosun optics on Youtube. Impressive performance is an understatement.

Thanks and well said, I've done the video circuit and I'm sold on the features, while I had intended to go with the ACRO, I can't resist the features and price point of the Holosun. Thanks
 
TNW ASR and JR carbine both come in .45 ACP and both have Glock magazine versions. Lot's of older posts/videos complaining about early versions of the JR carbine in 45 ACP though.
 
If you're not in a rush, Robinson Arms is in the design stage of an XCR pistol calibre carbine. The idea is to have it multi calibre. If it takes Glock mags (no word on that yet) it could become a close enough option for you if you really want an AR feel. I handled (but not shot) a vector once and the controls are WAY different than an AR. mag release is hit by your left thumb for instance...

Well yeah, because it uses Glock mags, which was a prerequisite of the OP. Safety is in the same place as AR. Charging handle is, while not the same as an AR, very easy to use. I had the Kriss with a NR barrel. Very muzzle heavy. While accurate, I never felt comfortable with it. So I sold it and bought restricted Gen II. It is very accurate, quick to point, has an acceptable trigger and double taps at 50 yds are easy. You can quite often get them for less than $1900 new. I was lucky and got one on sale at Bullseye for just under $1500 new.
You can also use the Korean 10/32 rd mags in the Kriss.
The bolt release is just above the mag release. Both have easy access. Safety is ambidextrous. I look forward to using it in a PCC only 3 gun shoot. I would really recommend trying one out if you have the chance.

Bolt release, mag release, and charge handle all in close proximity. Easy to use.

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Ambidextrous safety
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Overall compact package

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Extended mags work well.
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TNW ASR and JR carbine both come in .45 ACP and both have Glock magazine versions. Lot's of older posts/videos complaining about early versions of the JR carbine in 45 ACP though.

i think the issues with the 45 JR have been overcome. When I bought mine, it was horrendous. So many issues. I contacted the company and the owner was great. He sent a number of upgrades and parts. Which the new ones now have. This resolved the issues. At least in my case anyway, my JR in 45 is very reliable.

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