358 yeti

Ardent said:
It’s all just something different, and knowing Greg he’s going to keep that rifle busy. All that matters with rifles is what we do with them.

Oh... and it makes more sense to me than a new .375. :stirthepot2: :d
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I don't know... I like that whole Kemano concept... I think it hits just the right balance for it's niche...
 
I have a 338fed in the works. The yeti is alot more different from the 338fed than the 358win is which it matches or surpasses in shorter barrels.
Plus side is i have lots of time to cut down brass now lol
Like ive said before i enjoy being a lil different. A semi auto platform has an appeal but a bolt action allows a no fuss gun for loading.
 
I like the 358 Yeti for it's easier build cost in a short action bolt rifle over the .35 Rem. The Yeti has a standard .473" rim and a long enough neck to work with 300 gr boolits. Subsonic fun guaranteed.

T'would be a fookin' nice one in a Rem Model 7 with an 18" magnum contour barrel. Oh, the fun of it on pest critters with 'er using 110 gr hollow points.:runaway:
 
hoytcanon said:
I don't know... I like that whole Kemano concept... I think it hits just the right balance for it's niche...
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I certainly like it, and that’s reason enough right. I usually build cartridges to fit in actions I like, the .30 Hoyt fits in an Oberndorf better than a .308 or .30-06, may have to spin one up one day. :d

Shellshucker raises a point I hadn’t considered, I could see this short coupled .35 being discussed stuffing subsonic 300gr loads into a short action, if that’s one’s jam. Otherwise I’d build a .358 Win, it’d beat this at everything except for fitting in a AR15.
 
Ardent said:
I certainly like it, and that’s reason enough right. I usually build cartridges to fit in actions I like, the .30 Hoyt fits in an Oberndorf better than a .308 or .30-06, may have to spin one up one day.
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It will be cheap, I have the reamer here anytime you want.
 
358 win. 180gr at 2700fps. 200gr at 2500fps. 250gr at 2200fps from a 24" barrel

358 yeti. 180gr at 2600fps. 200gr at 2500fps. From a 16" barrel. Reports of 225gr at 2350fps have surfaced.

Add 8" of barrel to the yeti and id say its a fair fight. The winchester will obviously take the longer heavier bullets as the yeti was designed to dit an ar15 length action but in a bolt gun it would not suffer that restriction.

For the semi auto crowd it has better ballistics and more energy than the 458 socom
 
Physics dictates that the .358 Yeti cannot match a .358 Winchester. It’s the same case, shortened. More powder at the same pressure will allow for greater velocity- even in the same length barrels. So even in a 16”, in the real world the .358 Win is going to win. Of course you could always download a .358 Win to become a Yeti in ballistics if you want a milder load.

The .358 Winchester is already marginal for case capacity so I can’t see a good reason to make it even smaller personally, unless trying to stuff it in an incredibly small action (AR15).
 
Ardent said:
Physics dictates that the .358 Yeti cannot match a .358 Winchester. It’s the same case, shortened. More powder at the same pressure will allow for greater velocity- even in the same length barrels. So even in a 16”, in the real world the .358 Win is going to win. Of course you could always download a .358 Win to become a Yeti in ballistics if you want a milder load.

The .358 Winchester is already marginal for case capacity so I can’t see a good reason to make it even smaller personally, unless trying to stuff it in an incredibly small action (AR15).
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Precisely the reason that I ditched my .35 Rem's... the .358 Win has more case capacity and is on the cusp of being "not enough"... I also bailed on shooting 250's from my .358 Win rifles, and dropped down to the 200/225's for better overall performance... only shooting 250's from my .350 Rem Mag rifles. IMO, the Yeti will NOT be within 100 fps of the the .358 Win in any reasonable and equal comparison. There is really no reason to try to make that argument... if you like the cartridge, then shoot it and accept it's limitations... I have never understood selecting a lesser cartridge intentionally and then trying to make it more than what it is.

All this said... I think it is a cool little cartridge, and playing with it might be fun... but it is just not for me, too little case capacity for any of my .35 cal purposes... in fact, I am going the other way at the moment.
 
brybenn said:
358 win. 180gr at 2700fps. 200gr at 2500fps. 250gr at 2200fps from a 24" barrel

358 yeti. 180gr at 2600fps. 200gr at 2500fps. From a 16" barrel. Reports of 225gr at 2350fps have surfaced.

Add 8" of barrel to the yeti and id say its a fair fight. The winchester will obviously take the longer heavier bullets as the yeti was designed to dit an ar15 length action but in a bolt gun it would not suffer that restriction.

For the semi auto crowd it has better ballistics and more energy than the 458 socom
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A quick Google search shows the .358 Yeti at 45-47grain capacity, .35 Rem at 51grain and .358 Win at 57grain.
 
brybenn said:
358 win. 180gr at 2700fps... from a 24" barrel

358 yeti. 180gr at 2600fps... from a 16" barrel

Add 8" of barrel to the yeti and id say its a fair fight....
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I don't need to see data to know that is incorrect... it is a physical impossibility if all factors are truly equal... anyone can "cherry pick" data to try to support their argument... but basic physics don't lie.
 
If we use Barsnes 1-4 rule, the 358 Win has a 21% greater capacity than the Yeti (using 57 and 47 gr as case capacity)

using equal barrel length:

180 gr
358 Win- 2700 fps
358 Yeti- 2582 fps

200gr

358 Win- 2500 fps
358 Yeti- 2390 fps

In both cases you are giving up just over 100 fps with the smaller Yeti. Not really significant when it comes to shorter distance hunting, which is what I suspect both cartridges are used for.

Here is the Barsnes calculator, people can play around with it to come up with different scenarios.

http://www.weatherby.dk/jbc.htm
 
Ardent said:
Let’s presume it’s within 100fps of the .358 Winchester in equal length barrels, which my tainted life experience indicates that it wouldn’t in the real world I’d bet more like 200+, but say it is. Who ever said the .358 Winchester is a nice cartridge, but just too fast and hot?
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I agree... in the real world when all else is equal, the Yeti will come up 200 fps short of the .358 Win... as much as I love the .35 cal cartridges, for me, the .358 Win is the smallest capacity case that sparks any interest...
 
Hoyt what velocity did you get from your frontier 358win with 200gr bullets? It had a 16.5" barrel correct?

The purpose id use this rifle for would be deer and bear in thick northern ontario bush. Shots would be limited in distance with 75 yards being a long shot. The yeti easily beats the old 3030 and 32 sp and the 35 rem. Hard to argue with that level of performance on thin skinned game. Also when my daughter starts to hunt with me a medium bore of mild recoil will likely be much easier to handle than the fast harsh recoil of a 300wm.
Ive been talking with a fellow who has an ar15 set up for the yeti and says it lays hogs out with 180gr speer hotcor beautifully. Cheap brass cheap bullets decent performance. I dont currently have a nr lower but im very interested in putting together a bolt action once im steadily back to work. Likely a nice spring project for me. I think itll be different enough from the 338fed to stick around in my lineup


Its obvious no one who has commented has one but if someone gets one before i do plz let me know how it works
 
hoytcanon said:
I agree... in the real world when all else is equal, the Yeti will come up 200 fps short of the .358 Win... as much as I love the .35 cal cartridges, for me, the .358 Win is the smallest capacity case that sparks any interest...
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Having several small frame female friends getting their licenses and looking into rifle shooting none of them like any of my larger cased cartridges. Some do well with my 2506 others struggled with the weight of the rifle. Large scope and long bipod. Its led me to looking at smaller cased cartridges as i now have a daughter. I think the 300 savage would be about perfect for them and can be built into a light weight rifle to fit them and not kick the snot out of them. In looking at other options i came across the 358 yeti. It caught my attention and i know 2 ladies that like the ar style platform. For me the rifle is more important than the headstamp
 
brybenn said:
Having several small frame female friends getting their licenses and looking into rifle shooting none of them like any of my larger cased cartridges. Some do well with my 2506 others struggled with the weight of the rifle. Large scope and long bipod. Its led me to looking at smaller cased cartridges as i now have a daughter. I think the 300 savage would be about perfect for them and can be built into a light weight rifle to fit them and not kick the snot out of them. In looking at other options i came across the 358 yeti. It caught my attention and i know 2 ladies that like the ar style platform. For me the rifle is more important than the headstamp
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Throwing bigger pills is going to jack up the recoil... for slightly built, recoil sensitive youth and ladies, the smaller bore cartridges coupled with sub 150 grain bullets are the ticket... your .300 Savage idea is a good one... and a dozen others in that range. I am betting the Yeti with 180/200's will be stout for beginners.
 
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