Chiappa Mares Leg - restricted

KleeR99 said:
Wouldn't that change the overall length making it restricted?
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Don’t want to get too involved here, but the concern wasn’t with OAL, it’s with cutting any barrel down below 18” being prohibited, if you’re not the manufacturer.

I think there was some mix up too between cutting and swapping out barrels.

But whatever, these ones are restricted, it’s the way it is. Take it or leave it lol.
 
So since both the 12 and 9" are already well under 26" why are these restricted? I know asking for logic from our system is an excercise in frustration but I am curious..?
 
(b)
firearms adapted from rifles or shotguns, whether
by sawing, cutting, or any other alteration, and that as
adapted are:
(i) less than 660 mm (approximately 25.74 inches) in length; or
(ii) 660 mm (approximately 25.74 inches) or more
in length but have a barrel less than 457 mm (approximately 17.82 inches) in length. cutting or switching out would constitute an "alteration" and therefore be prohibited
 
scottteddy said:
(b)
firearms adapted from rifles or shotguns, whether
by sawing, cutting, or any other alteration, and that as
adapted are:
(i) less than 660 mm (approximately 25.74 inches) in length; or
(ii) 660 mm (approximately 25.74 inches) or more
in length but have a barrel less than 457 mm (approximately 17.82 inches) in length. cutting or switching out would constitute an "alteration" and therefore be prohibited
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“As adapted” swapping the 12” for the 9” does not cross any of those lines and adapts to nothing, it’s the same firearm
 
Jeeze’louieeze.
I came in here for the abundance of ‘free’ legal advice so often and freely given, and now I’m more confused than ever.
What to do, what to do? :)
 
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For sure I totally remember seeing these as NR years ago :( oh well

70m4h4wk said:
Even with the 12 inch barrel they are less than 26 inches but they are still non-restricted because they don't hit any of the criteria to be restricted.



They must be to be restricted. I saw another batch that claimed to be non restricted so I don't know how that works out.
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B said:
No, I didn't. Even if it's BS a reason is given for the classification.
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The 9 inch are manufactured and sold as pistols, by the manufacturer. That makes them restricted in Canada.

The 12 inch are manufactured and sold as rifle, therefore non-restricted in Canada.

Being a NR rifle, you can swap out the 12 inch barrel to a 9 inch, but not cut the factory 12 inch barrel. To be more accurate, you could cut the 12 inch barrel, but you could not re-install it on a rifle after that (restricted or not). You could install it on a pistol though.

The classification of the receiver (pistol to rifle) would not change, regardless of which barrel you installed on either, only whether it is NR, Restricted or Prohibited.
 
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Criminal Code.

It does not distinguish how long the barrel was before cutting, only that a rifle, if by cutting cannot be under 660mm, or it becomes prohibited.


Prohibited firearm means

(a) a handgun that

(i) has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or

(ii) is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge,

but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,

(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,

(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or

(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
 
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JACKSMYDOG said:
(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,

(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or

(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
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You're overlooking the "or any other alteration" Either it would be prohib both ways or non restricted both ways

Depends whether you think as so adapted means any adaptation to length under 660mm and not just a firearm that is crossing over the 660mm line, which would mean you couldn't put even a thicker butt plate on it, cause now you've adapted/altered it and it is still obviously under 660mm
 
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As so adapted could be interpreted to mean:

Due to the adaptation, it is less than 660mm.

If it was already shorter than that, the adaptation did not cause it. Anyway, usually you don't want to be picking these nits before a judge.
 
Reid199 said:
You're overlooking the "or any other alteration" Either it would be prohib both ways or non restricted both ways

Depends whether you think as so adapted means any adaptation to length under 660mm and not just a firearm that is crossing over the 660mm line, which would mean you couldn't put even a thicker butt plate on it, cause now you've adapted/altered it and it is still obviously under 660mm
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Read only the bold words.

The final firearm is a adapted from a rifle - Check

by sawing or cutting - check

and that so adapted is less than 660mm in length - Check.

If you start with a rifle, cut the barrel and the OAL is under 660mm when reassembled, you are holding a prohibited firearm.

or (ii)If you start with a rifle, cut the barrel to less than 457mm, and is 661mm when assembled, you are holding a prohibited firearm.

OAL before alteration is not mentioned so not relevant, only the class of firearm. If the received is a rifle this applies. If the receiver is a pistol, that applies.


Prohibited firearm means

(a) a handgun that

(i) has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or

(ii) is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge,

but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,

(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,

(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or

(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
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I will simplify
Reid, short 12" barrel from factory es bueno. Reid make long gun into short mucho fun gun es no beuno. Comprende? Reid no cut, cut bad. Cut make police angry
 
Reid199 said:
You're overlooking the "or any other alteration" Either it would be prohib both ways or non restricted both ways

Depends whether you think as so adapted means any adaptation to length under 660mm and not just a firearm that is crossing over the 660mm line, which would mean you couldn't put even a thicker butt plate on it, cause now you've adapted/altered it and it is still obviously under 660mm
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Sure, sounds reasonable. I hope that argument works if you need to convince a judge. "Ahh c'mon judge, cutting 6 inches of my gun is the same as adding a 1/4 inch butt plate. Why you bustin' my balls"?

Sawing or cutting is listed specifically. 'Sawed off' instantly brings criminal to mind. LEOs have no idea in most cases. They see your factory barrel and extended butt plate, they say thanks and walk away. They see your noticeably cut barrel on a 20inch gun they may want to ask some questions and earn some gold stars. In literal terms, they may both be argued prohibited, but in reality would not likely be treated as. YMMV
 
Also to add, unless you are ever in a really bad situation, no one is ever going to know if you finish it properly. The potential problem IMO is that for me this is a back country gun. If I had to use it, I imagine there could be a MNR investigation, and it may led them to connect the dots. I could get end up fighting a prohibited firearms charge for defending my life. That would suck.
 
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