Accurate facts and communication saves lives. I hope this trend continues for public safety.
Active-shooter Rapid -responce Lessons to learn
- Thread starter Mr Wolverine
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Don't hold your breath on that. It will be their most favourite of excuses... """lack of resources and training"""... the same we have been hearing for decades now.
Don't worry... given their track records, you shall hear it again in the future.
There is nothing to disagree on that on my experience. And I really wonder who is "We"
Because the 99.99 % of the time an officer is doing their daily run of the mill work like traffic enforcement, report taking, community meetings, the unaware public often complains about the "military like" and "aggressive" dress and armament of officers. Look at the way the public complained in Toronto when the patrol cars were changed to grey- "Too aggressive " they said. That is the kind of issue that upper brass worries about more than plates and rifles. Sad but true.
While in theory it would be nice if all officers could be trained up to a higher tactical standard, be nice and community friendly for 99% of the time and then flip the switch when its go time, it is very unrealistic to expect that. This is amplified when you have small town RCMP cops who can go years before they get a hot call like this. This is one reason when there is a bad shooting in rural areas it is often a difficult situation for the RCMP. . The cops are simply more practiced in a different style of policing. Big city cops are used to dealing with gun calls and large events.
Many people on this board have no idea with the day to day realities of policing. How mundane and administrative it can be, and how it differs from what people think it is like. How many cops make a careers out of being community, fund raising charity types. The "rough and tough " cop is something top brass wants to believe is not needed, and shooting like N.S are the result.
The reality is if front line patrol cops were going around day to day carrying carbines, lvl 4 plates, and ops core helmets, the public and many on this board who be crying about the militant police state. It is necessary to question and examine the shooting in NS to see what can be improved, but I see many members of the public assume they know far more about policing then they actually do. Most have no idea.
johnny the boy
CGN Regular
- Location
- Parts Unknown
Very sad performance by the RCMP and the world is watching too.Shooting at the garage door WTF!
Fjorden
CGN Regular
- Location
- freedom-hating QC
Good text, worth reading.
- Location
- Saskatchewan
When in doubt, shoot a firehall... then use the media to cover it up for you.
It's time the CBC gets its funding pulled and the RCMP gets a shake up from the top down.
It's time the CBC gets its funding pulled and the RCMP gets a shake up from the top down.
We is you and I. There is a lot to disagree with in my experience.
- Location
- All over canada
how about we let citizens open and conceal carry, and rcmp can go back to writing parking tickets. thats all they are good for
VICIOUS
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Brantford Ontario
There is so much and many mistakes it will be like herding cats to cover it up. Sad for the cops who tried to deal with this. The buck stops at the Prime minsters door. Disrespect for the people of Canada Leeds to a them and us.
What they see are federal officers who (likely) graduated university, and who passed screening interviews, stringent background checks, psychological screening, use of force training, weapons training, all the training offered at Depot, weapons requalification, and who likely passed their annual performance evals shooting at a building full of civilians for no apparent reason...
You'll recall the experiment where one student was "the good guy with the gun" in a college class that had an active shooter. If I recall the results the good guy killed exactly no bad guys, got killed every time, and more than once shot a good guy. No thanks.
You'll recall the experiment where one student was "the good guy with the gun" in a college class that had an active shooter. If I recall the results the good guy killed exactly no bad guys, got killed every time, and more than once shot a good guy. No thanks.
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- Saguenay, QC
I find it interesting that some people on this forum are quick to bash the RCMP, when in fact, it was them who eliminated the threat. Can we learn something here in terms of the failure to send out an Amber Alert? Absolutely. This is rural NS, and not downtown LA, where these officers may very well have been overwhelmed with the amount of destruction this maniac caused. Show some respect and wait for the facts before you pretend to know what actually took place at the fire hall. Or, get of your ass and apply, and show us all how it's done.
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- Salmon Arm, BC
I Wish it were different! And those serving on the front line deserve better
...... It all comes down to a systematic and chronic lack of funding. (Stemming from a lack of Political Will on the part of successive Governments)......... Recruiting and retention being obvious issues, and that leads to a chronic shortage of Mbrs to respond to emergencies, and even relatively routine calls for service........ This is not a new phenomena, but on going, in BC if nowhere, else since 1977/78 when it came to a head in the Lower Mainland Detachments predominately. Outdated and inadequate communications again fall victim to underfunding. ........ If I recall correctly, of the so called "Police Universe" the RCMP falls about 92 out of the 100 or so of the larger and comparable Police Forces in Canada> ....... The RCMP's Motto should be formally changed to "Do more with Less"! .......... David K
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...... It all comes down to a systematic and chronic lack of funding. (Stemming from a lack of Political Will on the part of successive Governments)......... Recruiting and retention being obvious issues, and that leads to a chronic shortage of Mbrs to respond to emergencies, and even relatively routine calls for service........ This is not a new phenomena, but on going, in BC if nowhere, else since 1977/78 when it came to a head in the Lower Mainland Detachments predominately. Outdated and inadequate communications again fall victim to underfunding. ........ If I recall correctly, of the so called "Police Universe" the RCMP falls about 92 out of the 100 or so of the larger and comparable Police Forces in Canada> ....... The RCMP's Motto should be formally changed to "Do more with Less"! .......... David K - Location
- Salmon Arm, BC
...... Hindsight is always 20/20 ! And it's easy to "Monday Morning Quarterback" from the safety and comfort of ones living room and forming one's opinion based on incomplete TV coverage!....... And sure, there are lessons to be learned, and mistake made!........ Nowhere in Canada's History has a mass murder,spanning such a large area and multiple small communities like this occured. ...... David K
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I agree and well said, it's seems like a "systemic" funding problem with both the RCMP and the Army, and often, more times than not, they are asked to do the "heavy lifting". I'm not going to engage in an "arm chair" cirtique, however I do have some knowledge on some of the topics discussed here. I hope that sooner, rather than later, the average person realizes that taking a "politician" at there word is form of denial, we live in a very different world than 20yrs ago.
What I find equally interesting is that there are others so quick to come to their defence without the same facts...
ERT took this sick f&ck down as I recall from the very little news I've watched on this subject.
I believe most sympathize and support the rank and file, it is the management and leadership at the top that people have issues with.
When in recent history we see AARs on critical training and equipment go ignored, when we see local detachments underfunded while Ottawa swims in money, to name just a few issues with this organization, one is really left to wonder where their (the leaders in the organization) priorities are.
