Help a Newb! NR vs R, etc: What to buy?

My concern with an NR is that if legislation passes and the libs move forward as they seem to be promising, NR rifles will be hammered anyway. Thinking long-term, an NR is probably a better idea.

Any ideas on the Wolverine WS-MCR? $1300 seems not bad. Is the action reliable and durable?

The COVID-19 bill is already well over $100 billion dollars. A full confiscation would cost several billion more. With the economy in free fall and the Wetsuetan issue not resolved (plus whatever else comes up) it is going to be a very tough battle to suggest spending the immediate aftermath of a pandemic + ongoing economic nightmare discussing spending several $billion more killing off a significant industry and increasing unemployment.

Easy as it is for me to say I would suggest getting a NR and a R rifle. One bumps up the numbers and so the total confiscation cost. The other is free for you to use where the R can not be.

Initial impressions of the WS-MCR are good.
 
So if Comrade T et al pass legislation that they get prohib'd, and you're grandfathered in, are you not allowed to continue taking them to the range? Say they only designate "military style" firearms, does that change anything to the 12.x designation? I thought I read about being able to apply for exceptions or simply going through some sort of appeal process that takes a few years.

Assuming there even is a grandfather clause in a forthcoming ban, ask the guys with now-prohib FALs and G3s if they're still legally able to take those guns to the range. (You don't have to ask, the answer is, "No.")
 
The WK180C is piquing my interest. You mention there are a lot of aftermarket parts -- can you put most AR things on it?

I am in you same boat as you, but for my purposes I wanted a NR so I could take it anywhere. So I just pre-ordered a Coyote and if I feel like it later I will get an AR. Good luck with your purchase!
 
The COVID-19 bill is already well over $100 billion dollars. A full confiscation would cost several billion more. With the economy in free fall and the Wetsuetan issue not resolved (plus whatever else comes up) it is going to be a very tough battle to suggest spending the immediate aftermath of a pandemic + ongoing economic nightmare discussing spending several $billion more killing off a significant industry and increasing unemployment.

Easy as it is for me to say I would suggest getting a NR and a R rifle. One bumps up the numbers and so the total confiscation cost. The other is free for you to use where the R can not be.

Initial impressions of the WS-MCR are good.

They announced that they want to introduce new legislation "as soon as possible". I used to think that spending more billions would be a bad idea, but a few billion more probably won't look like much compared to the insane amount they're spending on COVID.

I'm starting to think I may go the R route. If no ban passes, I have nothing to worry about. If one passes for all semi's, it doesn't matter what category I bought. If a ban passes for "scary guns they know about", AR's are likely to go and less conspicuous R's will still be kicking around.

I'm just pissed about M&P prices. They used to be like $650 but none seem available. Cabela's has a few but they price-gouge at $879.
 
Anywhere I can find info on various uppers and lowers? There's a DA upper and Blueline lower for sale in the EE but I have zero idea if these are comparable to the M&P II.
 
My thought process on R vs NR:

For competition (multi gun action shooting), shorter barrel length of R means lighter and better handling rifle in general. Accuracy doesn't matter as much as long as it's under 3~4 moa. None of the transport restriction on R matters here.

For hunting, must be NR. But how useful is 223 semi for hunting? IMO the only things where 223 semi does significantly better than others are coyote, groundhog, and other similar sized game. If you don't plan to hunt those often, then it doesn't really play into consideration. If you are absolutely set on hunting with a semi, then an AR102 variant (Stag10/BCL102 etc.) in 6.5 caliber would probably be more suitable, as long as you can keep the weight down to about 8~9lb with optic.

For target practice, ask:
- Does your regular club even allow R?
- How much accuracy do I need? If all I can shoot is 100 yard paper from bench rest, then I probably want a rifle system that's capable of ~1MOA. This means your picks will be limited to a rifle system that can easily take upgraded barrel and trigger. AR15 is the cheapest option that allows for this. NR options includes anything that takes AR barrel and trigger, like SLR/ATRS MS/WK180/WS-MCR.
- Do I want to shoot in the wild? Often I find I have other guns I want to shoot in the wild too (often for longer range) and I won't feel missed out leaving the semi 223 at home.

For myself, my answer is WK180C, because my outdoor range does not allow R, I hunt coyote, and I need a rifle that can be accurized for paper poking. It does fill the competition rifle role, but not without compromise. My 14.5" Norinco AR is much more suited for competition and cost less than 1/2 of the price.

As for politics and bans, they do not influence my decision. Buy what you like today and enjoy it now.
 
Unless you have lots of land to shoot on, buy your buddy’s Norc, they work fine. Building always costs more and it’s like redoing the suspension on a vehicle, easy if you know what you are doing. Buy, shoot, learn, reevaluate.
 
AR triggers (Except the drop in packs), pistol grips, and stocks. It comes with an MLOK rail so who cares about that? and the barrel is good so worry about that once you've put 20,000 rounds through it.

Personally I would look toward the WS-MCR over the WK-180C because Wolverine supplies have had the opportunity to sit down and fix all the issues that occurred with the WK180C.

In pictures the WK180C/WS-MCR can look ugly as hell. In reality it actually looks fine.

Like adding a 3 d printed rail spacer?
 
Personally I would say go and do both! Get your buddy norinco, for the price they are great guns! Start with that, then pre order a pricer NR receiver set like the ARTS modern sporter. You will have a good one year to shoot and enjoy your norinco and then you will have choices!

-You can keep the Norinco you now like and build your Modern Sporter.
-you can keep the norinco and sell the MS at a profit.
-you can build the MS with all your Norinco parts plus a NR barrel and keep the Norinco receiver incase of ban and hopefully having a grandfathered prohib class.
-build the MS with the Norinco and sell the receivers.
-build the MS with top shelf part and sell the norinco.
 
Thanks for the responses!

I think you guys are spot on. I really don't have that much room to shoot in the wild, and around the central Vancouver Island area it's awfully hard to access crown land, especially stuff that's not a logging slash. Range here does allow restricteds (not really active moving drills for rifles unfortunately, though PCC's and pistols are fine), not interested in hunting with this rifle (have stuff for that and prefer to longbow hunt anyway).

Although now for Norinco vs. something else, if I can find a used M&P or similar I imagine it would be worth the extra ~$200ish over the Norinco, no?
 
Like adding a 3 d printed rail spacer?

I'm glad you mentioned that, it is a fair question HOWEVER in recent videos on their youtube channel when removing the rail I did not see the plastic part found by Navy Shooter, has this been removed?

Ultimately this might be a none issue. The rail works so don't take the rail off. If Wolverine Supplies release the measurements you can bet someone will make an Aluminum version.
 
I just joined the black gun community finally after some 25 years of fudding it... sheesh what took me so long!

Anyways, I picked up a Smith and Wesson M&P 15 Sport from Bullseye London, a site sponsor here. They also had the DPMS oracle for a bit cheaper.
 
another one for the MP15, they are fantastic for the price, but do your research alot of places up the prices on these
 
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