Active-shooter Rapid -responce Lessons to learn

" gun Control doesn't work" John Hipwell you are preaching to the choir or to the converted. Unlike you, i believe that gun control doesn't work because criminals would always be criminal and they would find ways and means to acquire a firearm if need be.

Most importantly i believe that "gun control doesn't work" because it's a basic human fundamental need to be able to protect and provide for himself and in a true democracy, there is no fear on the part of the government of an armed population because every four years, we have an election.

John Hipwell, I have more of an inkling that you are saying that "gun control doesn't work because of the business you operate!
 
Exactly! The "Blue Mafia" is very real.

If you two think it's so bad here, then pack your stuff and go somewhere else. I'll pretty much guarantee that it won't take long before you realize how great it is to live in Canada. Perfect? No. Pretty damn great compared to almost anywhere else? Yes.
 
If you two think it's so bad here, then pack your stuff and go somewhere else. I'll pretty much guarantee that it won't take long before you realize how great it is to live in Canada. Perfect? No. Pretty damn great compared to almost anywhere else? Yes.


Well said, Canadians have it better than most places, but there are areas of improvement if one where going to make the country great again.
 
Again, The System and the RCMP Failed miserably to protect the Citizens of this country.
All the news conferences ( blah blah blah )are nothing but lame to cover their A$$e$ !
My heart goes out to all the victims and their families and fellow Canadians !
 
We have a recruit class training right now. 80% White male or female.


I think the odds of white, blue collar working class folk getting careers in policing after the age of 35 is slim to non. The hiring model needs to change. Hiring the same type of target selection doesn't work. Applications should be considered individually and on a case by case basis. I understand the preference for the university educated, but I know lots of idiots graduating with degrees that are... well idiots. And suicide rates amongst police where lower in the 1950-1980s before targeted selection and preference to post secondary. Also I think life experience isn't considered as much as it should be. also I think giving guys and girls that have records a chance should be considered. without a suspension. I get the credibility thing in the court realm but something needs to be done, Policing should reflect society.

RCMP is where it is really for policing. Do more with less, by ones self, its very rugged type policing. I wish they weren't on the liberal dicc so much or id apply again.
 
" gun Control doesn't work" John Hipwell you are preaching to the choir or to the converted. Unlike you, i believe that gun control doesn't work because criminals would always be criminal and they would find ways and means to acquire a firearm if need be.

Most importantly i believe that "gun control doesn't work" because it's a basic human fundamental need to be able to protect and provide for himself and in a true democracy, there is no fear on the part of the government of an armed population because every four years, we have an election.

John Hipwell, I have more of an inkling that you are saying that "gun control doesn't work because of the business you operate!

If you check, you will see that this article was written by Ron borsch. I can not claim any credit for this so you do not have an inkling about what I am not saying! I posted this article as I thought it made several good points but as always on CGN the thread goes off on a tangent.
 
I don't have FB, Instagram, Twitter. I have youtube and CGN. I would NOT have known there was an active shooter. (Had I lived in NS). A phone alert is the only way I would of been notified. I like every one have a lot of questions.
 
I think the odds of white, blue collar working class folk getting careers in policing after the age of 35 is slim to non.

Getting anybody into a career after 35 is risky - while they may be more mature, they're less physically fit (on average) they will give you fewer years of service before retirement.

The hiring model needs to change. Hiring the same type of target selection doesn't work. Applications should be considered individually and on a case by case basis.

They are. It's not like there's a person in recruiting who's like, "white, white, white" and tossing files in the garbage.

I understand the preference for the university educated, but I know lots of idiots graduating with degrees that are... well idiots.

True, but at the very least, a university degree SHOULD be indicative of some intellect, an ability to persevere towards a long-term goal, and an ability to interact with others in a moderately respectful way. Obviously, there's isn't a perfect correlation, but it does weed out the nitwits who couldn't manage to sit through the joke that is high school these days.

And suicide rates amongst police where lower in the 1950-1980s before targeted selection and preference to post secondary.

Cite your source. Also, society has changed a great deal over the last 40-70 years. My FIL is retired OPP who split his career between patrol and accident reconstruction in Eastern Ontario. He used to drink like a fish and we attribute that to in part the culture where the sergeant was expected to offer you a slug of whisky after attending a bad scene.

Also I think life experience isn't considered as much as it should be.

No, life experience in the form of volunteer experiences, community involvement, team sports at the school/community/national level are given a lot of weight. It shows the ability to interact with people and exposure to people who are likely not like you: the root of empathy.

also I think giving guys and girls that have records a chance should be considered. without a suspension.

No, the state should not give authority and the firearms to enforce that authority to people who lack the judgement, maturity or self-control to avoid a criminal record.

I get the credibility thing in the court realm but something needs to be done, Policing should reflect society.

No it should not. Society has rapists, alcoholics and drug addicts, the mentally ill, the homeless, the ill-tempered, bullies, child abusers, and people who are emotionally reactive and explosive.

RCMP is where it is really for policing. Do more with less, by ones self, its very rugged type policing. I wish they weren't on the liberal dicc so much or id apply again.

Ahhhh, there it is. Sour grapes.
 
If you two think it's so bad here, then pack your stuff and go somewhere else. I'll pretty much guarantee that it won't take long before you realize how great it is to live in Canada. Perfect? No. Pretty damn great compared to almost anywhere else? Yes.

Alaska is starting to sound better and better to me.
 
Many of the members posting on this forum are current, or retired police officers, including the OP. It's unfortunate that when criticizing the RCMP as an organization the individual officers get painted with the same brush as their management. I have worked with and continue to work with RCMP officers who are absolutely the finest human beings. But when compared to a well funded municipal police agency they often pale in comparison in terms of equipment, resources and training. This is not the fault of the individual officers, but the Federal government and the RCMP, turned politicians who promote into the bureaucracy and forget where they came from. All of the facts won't be available for some time, but I draw upon my frustration after Mayerthorpe AB, Moncton NB, and now Nova Scotia. The RCMP's moto should be "More with less," it's absolutely appropriate. They are less paid, less equipped, less staffed and less trained than their big city counterparts.

So true, its hard to explain that to people. Well, easy to explain. Hard to get them to listen.
 
Count me out. And lets leave experiences as the opinions of the individuals.

Ummm...then I suppose you should have said "in my opinion" versus "on my experience", which was my point. You expressing your opinion is not particularly experience based any more than me doing that.
 
I think the odds of white, blue collar working class folk getting careers in policing after the age of 35 is slim to non. The hiring model needs to change. Hiring the same type of target selection doesn't work. Applications should be considered individually and on a case by case basis. I understand the preference for the university educated, but I know lots of idiots graduating with degrees that are... well idiots. And suicide rates amongst police where lower in the 1950-1980s before targeted selection and preference to post secondary. Also I think life experience isn't considered as much as it should be. also I think giving guys and girls that have records a chance should be considered. without a suspension. I get the credibility thing in the court realm but something needs to be done, Policing should reflect society.

RCMP is where it is really for policing. Do more with less, by ones self, its very rugged type policing. I wish they weren't on the liberal dicc so much or id apply again.
....... The sad fact is that the RCMP is struggling to both Recruit and RETAIN Mbrs when Municipal/City and other Provincial Police Forces, pay considerably more and offer better working conditions. And yes I'd agree the hiring model needs to be reviewed and changed to reflect a wider cross section of Society. ...... David K
 
Well they listened.

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