A lot of American bashing of the Norinco M14Ss...

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Is it based in fact at all or is it just marketing BS being propagated by sellers of rediculously overpriced Springfield Armory M14s, or jealous Americans that can no longer buy Chinese imports?

If what a lot of American reviews and forum threads are true it seems that half of the milsurp forum members would be blown to bits by catastrophic failures.

What do some of you Norinco M14S owners think of your rifles? Do you regret the purchase? Are there any major drawbacks?
 
most threads ive read about them in US forums give you the impression that unless you immediately replace critical parts with original USGI ones the rifle is going to blow up in your face. many many posts about soft bolts, poor quality, lack of proper headspace, etc.
before they were out of stock at Marstar i was about to order one, and spent several hours researching them before i ordered. the general impression i got from US forums was very negative... so i didnt order.

reading these forums, many norinco M14s owners seem quite happy with them, so thats why im asking whats the deal... hehe.
 
The American experience is with the early imports of Norincos and Polytechs (before the Ban.)

Apparently, some of them had metallurgic issues that resulted in rapidly increasing headspace in a short number of rounds. One of the culprits I’ve read about was a “soft bolt” causing a lot of people to swap USGI bolts and op rods with the Chinese ones. I think the Polytech rifles were supposed to be the worst for failure.

The Norinco rifle imported into Canada recently are all supposed to be fine if you read the feedback from the guys here. I have heard people at the range complain about accuracy, but I don’t own one and can’t comment.
 
Much of the hype comes from fulton armory... And this was based on the early models... There were soft components... however if you read up now they are in awe of the forged receivers and overall quality of the newer guns...
 
i've got one of the VERY early ones( serial under 300) that alan lever brought in - had it since 1990 and never had a problem with it, other than having the scope mount ground away- the new ones which the AMERICANS ARE NOT CAPABLE OF GETTING are even better- and i can't begin to tell you the number of rounds i've done- it came with the then legal 20 round mag and mags were 5/75 bucks at the time- a lot of that bashing on the net comes from a guy that works for FULTON, and it's in his own best intrests to downgrade the chinese products-
 
now that you mention it, 'fulton armory' did come up quite a bit in the discussions.

anyone know roughly how often marstar restocks their M14Ss? their price is $50 less than another online dealer, and they seem to have a better reputation.
wondering if its worth waiting around till they restock, currently i have no clue if were talking weeks, months or years.


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speaking of accuracy: are they on average capable of <5" at 100 yards? anything over that, IMO, is bordering on the unacceptable. what sortof accuracy should i expect?
are there any subtle methods of accurizing that dont involve an expensive rebarreling?
 
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And now you understand why I mention about my #### falling off in my clinics ? It was rumored that if you did not rush out and swap all the parts with USGI components that yer #### WOULD fall off. :D
 
From what I've read on US forums there are two types of them on this issue:
1) One's who like the m14 and think we are lucky we can get them
2) The one's already discussed.

On the American forum I frequent a lot, they really like the norinco m14s and think we are really lucky.
 
speaking of accuracy: are they on average capable of <5" at 100 yards? anything over that, IMO, is bordering on the unacceptable. what sortof accuracy should i expect?
are there any subtle methods of accurizing that dont involve an expensive rebarreling?

I had an opportunity to try one of my Norinco M14s about two/three months ago with a cheap bushnell scope atop of a B-Square mount. I'll have to apply some locktite to the mounts and rings before I try sighting it in again, but am happy to report that I was getting one inch groups at 50m before things started to come loose. From the range reports of others on the site, I'm pretty sure that you'd have to be very unlucky to find a rifle shooting 5" groups. I'd expect somewhere in the range of 2-3 inches, perhaps less with tailored reloads being able to reduce the groups further. (BTW, I'd also say to get a different scope mount, but that's another issue).

Rather than worrying about expensive modifications, I'd be more interested in fixing the timing on the barrels.....that is to say that when the Chinese screwed the barrels into the reciever, they weren't careful enough much of the time to ensure that the front sight was not tilted a bit to the left or the right. Further to requiring some really far out adjustments on the rear sight to centre the groups, even that basically works to centre the groupings only at the range at which you've sighted the rifle in. I believe that there's another area on the site that covers how to fix this issue. A secondary issue with bad timing is that it usually causes the handguard to come into contact with one side of the stock, while it shouldn't touch at all.

Aside from the timing, the best investment might be a National Match Op Rod Spring Guide, which costs about $40 plus shipping and taxes. Sometimes the rear sights don't work that well, in which case a USGI set (Garand sights work as well) might be called for. Rather than worrying about whether the rifle is safe or will be accurate, in my experience the timing issue is the only annoying attribute, since I haven't the tools to fix it myself and would like to shoot to 200 yards without worrying about where the rifle will print as a consequence. Otherwise I'd be thoroughly happy with her as she comes out of the box.

Despite the past criticisms of the M14S, there has developed a very loyal following of those rifles that made it into the US before the embargo. In addition to debunking much of both the "Fulton Armory" writeup on them and the infamous side by side comparison done by "Guns Magazine" (where they shot the rifle out of the box without cleaning the cosmo off, and dunked the rifle into a barrel of water once the cosmoline caught fire), there seem to be no shortage of Americans willing to pay $800 for a like new Polytech or Norinco.
 
I love my Norc M-14. I can hit clay pigeons set on their side consistently at 100m. That is from a rest. At 200m I can hit about 3 out of every 5. I put in a new stainless steel recoil spring guide and a synthetic buffer, the rest is stock. I am sure if I upgraded the sights to NM I could do better but for now it's good enough for me.
 
you couldn't have tried to handicap that rifle anymore by using a b-square mount- those things are nothing but crap- better to have no scope at all and use the irons - there's probably nothing wrong with the bushy scope, ( i've got a bunch of them myself) , l - as for the accuracy, with HAND LOADED 165'S i get less than 1 inch for a 5 round group with my old issue m14s- get a good STEEL mount, then see where you go-
 
The American main battle rifle forums have a bias against anything not USGI. For example, the jouster dot com M1 forum is willfully blind to collecting Italian Garands. But guys will trade body parts to get the 5 US makers and a repro Gas Trap.

I clued into the Norinco antagonism when I first read the Fulton Armo(u)ry website. It seemed that unless you handed over your rifle to them for their black magic, you were definately on the road to ####-loss, failed marriages, two-headed offspring, unearned traffic tickets, and the eternal scorn of your fellow shooters. The point about their stock of rifles being the oldest was made here already, and that explains the other half of their animousity.
 
Springfield Armory doesn't make M14's. They make a copy of it. They're not what they used to be either.
"...anything over that..." If it's as bad as 5" at 100, I'd take it back.
"...the hype comes from fulton armory..." Fulton promulgates a lot of unsubstantiated nonsense. They're in the business of selling bubba'd and rebuilt rifles, none of which are built on a real M14 receiver, for a very long American dollar. It's in their interest to run down anything non-U.S. made.
"...getting guns out of China isn't easy..." Nope. It's getting them into Canada. China wants hard Western currency. They won't do anything to jeopardize that income.
 
you couldn't have tried to handicap that rifle anymore by using a b-square mount- those things are nothing but crap- better to have no scope at all and use the irons - there's probably nothing wrong with the bushy scope, ( i've got a bunch of them myself) , l - as for the accuracy, with HAND LOADED 165'S i get less than 1 inch for a 5 round group with my old issue m14s- get a good STEEL mount, then see where you go-

I concur....... I probably only got the mount because of the timing issue which requires a rather odd sight setting with the irons to hit the centre of the target. I basically sighted in the scope with the rifle on a rest and then adjusted the iron sights to the same POA.
 
Just a typical American attitude! I have owned at least 4 Rincos and 2 Springfields. Only difference between the two is that after buying the Rincos I had money left over to buy a wack of ammo for the difference.
Accuracy wise, edge goes to the Rincos. Provided we are comparing as issued M14s vs as issued M305s and not the HB NM model springfield.
 
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