For Immediate Release! CSAAA- Shotgun ban!!

A83 said:
Sure, the more confusing answers we get, the more people realize how poorly-crafted this ban is. Until the RCMP outright says it's either banned (which will piss off EVERYONE) or not banned (which will open the door to invalidating other parts of the order), we want to ask as many questions about this as possible.
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Well the OIC shouldn't even be enforceable because they have no basis to regulate the firearms under Section 117 of the Firearms Act nor any of the changes by C71, but we'll see how that goes.

This entire thing can be a HUGE blunder
 
Just measured mine, one is 18.36mm and the other is 20.8mm with the choke removed.

So yeah, I am ####ed since the 20.8 one is the one I hunt with.
 
CosmiC10R said:
This was posted in the gravel thread
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linux99 said:
I don't see no comma separating the parts of that sentence....

But this assumes that you think 12G shotguns really have just been made illegal (hint - they haven't).


[note - I am not your lawyer and this does not constitute legal advice]
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I think that Edward's forensic standard is what matters but again there's no precedent yet so we don't know for sure.

Some interesting reading, however, from a top institution: https://saami.org/glossary/bore-diameter/

Chokes don't matter in their eyes.
 
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WannaBeSpurdo said:
I think the original LLB's forensic standard is what matters but again there's no precedent yet so we don't know for sure.

Some interesting reading, however, from a top institution: https://saami.org/glossary/bore-diameter/

Chokes don't matter in their eyes.
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I like the SAMMI definition a lot!

Note it is very different to the "original LLB" - which would include the area threaded for a choke.

I am saddened that you feel his "forensic standard" is the one which matters. :( Such is life I guess.
 
This is the best news ever and I also have shotguns that I hunt with that would be affected.
Some people just aren’t getting it. This is great news as others have said now we have more people in the fight and exposes the nonsense of their stupid laws.
They ban a Mini-14 Ranch rifle with 5rd mag just because it was used 30yrs ago in a crime.
Then they allow you to grandfather these prohibs which means you still have them. Idiots
 
linux99 said:
I like the SAMMI definition a lot!

Note it is very different to the "original LLB" - which would include the area threaded for a choke.

I am saddened that you feel his "forensic standard" is the one which matters. :( Such is life I guess.
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Well not to knock you but I don't really know who you are nor what you practice in. Ed has articles related to his practice in firearms law dating back to 2011 at least, so I'm giving him more credit right now.

I guess it'll be up to the courts to decide either way lol.
 
linux99 said:
Absolutely true - if this ever get taken to court.

FWITW - no offence taken. I wouldn't believe me either just on first encounter. However I hope that by setting out the argument in an easy to follow way it's possible for people to make up their own minds. Beware "authorities". :)
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Nah that's fair, you made good points and I can definitely see the angle you're coming from.

Say I notionally had the opportunity to get an LLB, are there any schools that you'd recommend? I don't plan on it, but you never know.
 
So, just to stir the pot a little more, but if I remember correctly didn't C-71 include a "ratchet" provision that stated the government can't reclassify firearms to less restrictive classifications?

So, if this many shotguns are actually caught up in this due to incompetence, will it not require new legislation to make them non-restricted again at this point?
 
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jacotsmith said:
A lot of sensitive people here concerned their beloved Elmer special might be caught up in the nonsense too. How does it feel to be an outlaw like the rest of us? Still don't think it effects you?

I think this is a great point to push, whether a judge would ultimately agree or not, it gets the apathetic gun owner off the couch and into the fight.
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absolutely agree: all need to feel how is it to get stuff removed from your property or usable.
 
mnr said:
So, just to stir the pot a little more, but if I remember correctly didn't C-71 include a "ratchet" provision that stated the government can't reclassify firearms to less restrictive classifications?

So, if this many shotguns are actually caught up in this due to incompetence, will it not be require new legislation to make them non-restricted again at this point?
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The provision keeps the GiC from less restrictive classifications on firearms that are either classified by name in the FA or by the rcmp. For example, the GiC can't say "pistol X is now NR despite the law saying it's R", something they could do before. There's nothing that stops the GiC from removing or changing its own regulations.
 
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