For Immediate Release! CSAAA- Shotgun ban!!

Backpax said:
There are some out there who may be passing off this situation as being an inconvenience or perhaps even a bit silly. Whether or not you think this is silly is irrelevant. The sad reality is the INTENT behind this OIC. The present PM and his party are INTENT on taking away our rights and property...This is the clear danger to us all in this situation. Are you willing to write any part of this off as something silly that will just go away? No matter how clumsy or inept this OIC may be perceived, the INTENT behind it is very clear....And that (at least to me) is nothing to laugh at.
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Well said. We can have all the arguments we like about the technical details of shotgun bore measurement but that doesn't mean a damn thing to the Liberals who want civilian firearm (and I mean all firearms)ownership ended.
 
Sweet more criminal the better. Specially fudds with their duck guns...lol...

Welcome aboard the peaceful non compliance team !
 
My experience of people in the mainstream of firearm ownership is they sat all this stuff out: ignored safe storage, the long gun registry, and will probably ignore this stuff. They don't seriously believe that the party of "we aren't after your duck gun", will move on them any time soon. A lot of them have stuff that is older than choke tube inserts anyway. I know one guy whose response to the long gun registry was to drywall his collection into his wall. He passed from cancer, and it makes one wonder if the new house owners got more than they bargained for.

What is the worst that could happen, you epoxy your choke in?

Now banning the 460 Weatherby, that could affect some people with a whale license. Those hunters have a voice.
 
Checked my Stoeger M3K and it's almost exactly 20mm w/o chokes. If I somehow include the grooves in the threading (is that included?) then it's over 20mm.

What !d!iots. In such a rush to screw over sport shooters that they screwed over the fudds as well.
 
linux99 said:
No - read it closely - it diametrically opposes it.

"Shotguns or muskets, the interior dimension of the barrel forward of the chamber but before any restrictive choke or expanded muzzle."
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Exactly. You are not measuring the bore at the restrictive choke. You are measuring it with the restrictive choke removed. Which is a perfectly acceptable way to operate the shotgun (assuming you never again want to be able to thread a choke in). In sporting clays it is called "shooting the threads" and is done all the time.
 
linux99 said:
If you read the rest of his letter it is clear that this is his opinion. Now he seems to have experience, so it may be valid; but then he works for a lobby group, so he may have an agenda.
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Are you really willing to be your freedom on an overzealous crown prosecutor who got blue balled by his wife the night before ?
 
nof60 said:
Exactly. You are not measuring the bore at the restrictive choke. You are measuring it with the restrictive choke removed. Which is a perfectly acceptable way to operate the shotgun (assuming you never again want to be able to thread a choke in). In sporting clays it is called "shooting the threads" and is done all the time.
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If I were in court I would pull out the manuals for these shotguns - which tell you very clearly that you MUST NOT DO THIS (I checked this out earlier - and link to one from Mossberg above) and simply say that, yes, if you operate the gun outside it's normal operating procedures then you may indeed be able to induce a breach of the regulations. But that is hardly a reason for treating the correctly operated gun as being in breach of the regs.
 
The only good part of this whole thing is that the "We are not after your duck guns" party through it's own arrogance and hubris outlawed everyone's duck guns. Welcome to the fight all my new fudd friends.
 
linux99 said:
If I were in court I would pull out the manuals for these shotguns - which tell you very clearly that you MUST NOT DO THIS (I checked this out earlier - and link to one from Mossberg above) and simply say that, yes, if you operate the gun outside it's normal operating procedures then you may indeed be able to induce a breach of the regulations. But that is hardly a reason for treating the correctly operated gun as being in breach of the regs.
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How many firearms cases have you litigated?
 
CosmiC10R said:
This was posted in the gravel thread:

We spoke to our local MB CFO and they said that 10 and 12 GA shotguns are still non-restricted if they were previously. They did however state that if the choke was removed and the bore was greater than 20mm the firearm would then be deemed prohibited. Keep your chokes in and you're fine. Still ridiculous.
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So when I change chokes I temporarily create a prohibited weapon? What if I have an 870 barrel but no chokes for it? Face, meet palm.
 
linux99 said:
Absolutely zero.

What legal qualification do you have?
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I'm just curious if there was some experience you have had that lead you to those conclusions based on your experiences in court with actual firearms cases that involve classification...

I would have to assume Ed, having actually put his name publically to his opinion, is relatively comfortable with it based on his own experience with firearms law... unless he is trying to commit professional seppuku
 
How about older shotguns with worn out barrels? Lots of various situations like that, I don't think people are willing to risk their freedom based on a small number of microns.
 
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