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Boltgun

Boltgun

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Wolverine folks,

so some may have missed this.......

96 Any firearm capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules — other than one referred to in item 12, 13, 14, 20, 22 or 30 of this Part or one designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devices — including the

(b) Accuracy International AW50;
(c) Accuracy International AS50;
(d) Accuracy International AX;
(e) Accuracy International AX50;

You still have the AI AX listed on site. cant believe they are lumping those in as well!

Boltgun
 
With the logic of the language, AI AX308 would be excluded but if there was a model called AX alone it would be banned as they specifically mention others by name. It seems like a stupid typo / mistake but will probably take years to correct. The ASR is banned as well if I recall correctly even though it is in 308/ 338 norma mag
 
Boltgun said:
96 Any firearm capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules — other than one referred to in item 12, 13, 14, 20, 22 or 30 of this Part or one designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devices — including the

(b) Accuracy International AW50;
(c) Accuracy International AS50;
(d) Accuracy International AX;
(e) Accuracy International AX50;
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Here are the reasons why this should not apply to the AX308 and AXMC:
  • The AI wesite does not list an 'Accuracy International AX' model. The website, and the user manuals, state the models to be: AX308 & AXMC
  • The AX308 & AXMC are not capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules
  • The AX308 & AXMC are not designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devices
  • Section 96 of the OIC is clearly targeting 50 cal rifles, their are no other 308's or 338's on the list
  • They likely added the 'Accuracy International AX' to the list by error or to try an make sure they didn't miss any models of 50 cal rifles
 
Just going to address this quickly here folks and there is something we need from you as well..

To our understanding ( which within this building is a substantial amount of years working within the world of firearms and surrounding legislation and laws ) is the that AX series of rifles are no prohibited. The AS/AX 50 and any AX platform running anything with a 20mm or greater or punching out 10,000 joules.

The AX 308 / AX 300 / and the AX 338 do not fall under these categories thus not prohibited.

What I need to see from you though is this... CALL THE CFO!!!! They are the ones who need to be clarifying all of this nonsensical dribble that the liberals call an OIC.. They need to get inundated by the public showing how horrible this whole situation is.

BTW if you guys have a FGM-148 Javelin your probably going to have to turn them in.... cause you know..... safety.
 
Its a scary military rifle. They saw it in a war movie. People don't need to own guns like this. That's the only reason they need. They are truely ####ed in the head.
 
Boltgun said:
Wolverine folks,

so some may have missed this.......

96 Any firearm capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules — other than one referred to in item 12, 13, 14, 20, 22 or 30 of this Part or one designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devices — including the

(b) Accuracy International AW50;
(c) Accuracy International AS50;
(d) Accuracy International AX;
(e) Accuracy International AX50;

You still have the AI AX listed on site. cant believe they are lumping those in as well!

Boltgun
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The AI AX rifle is not prohibited in calibers other than .50 BMG. Whilst I am the first one to point out that the FRT is not a legal document, but only for reference, it confirms this.
 
so I will give a different perspective. I am retired LE. 31 years. My duties included firearms instruction, UOF instruction, armorer, supervisor of range and firearms training, firearms analysis and provide opinion evidence in court on firearms identification and verification. i'm not throwing that out as a reason to believe me or gloat. It's just to show I have a different perspective only. That said, the wording is what makes it difficult. Having sat through court arguments more than once, this part of the wording:

96 Any firearm capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules — other than one referred to in item 12, 13, 14, 20, 22 or 30 of this Part or one designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devices — including the

is what makes it problematic. I think it was thrown in by accident as well as many of you. That said, I can see PWEU/TPS guns and Gangs causing some people grief. Including target rifle shooters for the RPA Quadlocks. I don't think people will getting visits from the police over an AI AX. I can see it being a problem though if there is a theft/domestic dispute/whatever reason causes the police to get involved and a rifle seized/reported stolen/found/whatever. Cops DO NOT KNOW OUR LAWS WELL. they are convoluted. I used to teach firearms law in our General Investigative Techniques courses and eyes would glaze over when you started talking about restricted/NR/Prohibited firearms and weapons with various bbl lengths/exemptions/calibers/etc. Cops will arrest, bring it back to the station, engage the SME's and "let the courts sort it out"....meanwhile, you have been arrested/charged and your house searched and firearms/ammo seized and 10-20,000.00 bucks later (lawyers are lovely) found guilty/not guilty/discharged or what ever. ALL OVER A MISTAKEN belief. It isn't right, it is what it is though.

I have seen a member of the PWEU charge someone with a high capacity magazine from a Lee Enfield no4! Thankfully the judge that heard that case was a shooter (now passed away) and he rightfully raked the officer over the coals for his ineptness. That officer is now a high ranking officer.

Boltgun
 
Someone posted this in another thread. This appears to confirm that the AX308 and AXMC are not effected by the OIC.
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Further to my earlier post we will be taking steps to get the AI AX removed from the OIC. It matters little what the intent of the OIC is, it is how it is worded. The whole thing is a dam mess!
 
Mr Wolverine said:
Further to my earlier post we will be taking steps to get the AI AX removed from the OIC. It matters little what the intent of the OIC is, it is how it is worded. The whole thing is a dam mess!
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Good man!
Thank you Mr Wolverine & Team.
 
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