AR style gas system issues - new build wont hold open

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Well got a 2 hour slot at the range today to try out my new MDI build.
1 round per mag never was able to hold open.

My first time playing with adjustable gas as well as a gas system other than carbine.


Rifle length gas
MRA 18.6" barrel 223 wylde
Odin works adjustable gas block (set screw version, I did dimple the barrel with a jig)
Armaspec SRS (the carbine version which is the lightest they sell "3.3oz")
Brownells Lightweight BCG (also tried with a AAC BCG which feels allot heavier, didnt hold back)
Nothing on the end of the barrel yet, just bare threads
EDIT: I'm not sure on the proper terminology, but its not a rifle length buffer and its not a A5. Just a typical buffer tube.
Tried with 2 different mags (1 metal, 1 plastic) both functioned 100% in 2 other AR's
Sadly I forgot to bring a normal coil spring/buffer to try swapping out.

The odin has 20 clicks of adjustment. Started at 3 click out, increasing by 3 each shot.

Either at the initial 3 out or at 6 out the bolt would be left slightly not fully forward. (just enough gas to start to push it back?)
Around 12 click out it would eject the brass. But not hold open. 4:30 or 5 o'clock or so.

Ran it all the way to 18 or 19 click out (20 click out feels too loose) It would throw the brass good 3:30 or so, but still never held open.

Did try a mag with 5 rounds in case of issues with the bolt hold open. No different, ejected the round but did not grab the next.
With a empty mag in, pull charging handle back, bolt holds open just fine.


The Armaspec SRS feels like it gets a bit harder right near the BCG being fully back. Is this too much resistance right at the end? Because its a SRS i did not install the buffer retaining peice, which allowed me to thread in the buffer tube maybe one extra rotation. This would ever so slightly add more spring tension.
Rifle length gas and short 18.6" barrel need much lighter weight spring and/or buffer?
Or do all signs point to gas block being off center? Gas block screws are still tight after.
Or is it scared of liberals and trans-gendered to a straight pull bolt action?

Thoughts?

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Gas port might not be drilled big enough.
Ohh never thought of this. Are the different depending on barrle length or gas system? Or what spec should I be looking for?
I have a drill bit set I can try to use that to get a rough idea what the size is. But wont be too exact.

Will see what a few other say before pulling my GB to check.


Have you tried a regular carbine spring and buffer?
Sadly no, I forgot to bring one. Next time I will bring one from my AR's.
Cycling both of them, my M&P15 (factory carbine sprig and buffer) feels slightly easier than the MDI/SRS. hmmm
 
Starting with a normal carbine buffer (3 oz) and spring, and the adjustable block wide open will tell you if you have a gas port issue. Then you can play from there.
 
Ohh never thought of this. Are the different depending on barrle length or gas system? Or what spec should I be looking for?
I have a drill bit set I can try to use that to get a rough idea what the size is. But wont be too exact.

Will see what a few other say before pulling my GB to check.

It should be around .093”-.096”
 
One common issue I run into a lot when putting one of those rifles together for someone is if its a cheaper barrel, commonly Canadian made or Faxon, they fail to polish the chamber after reaming. The chamber is disgustingly rough and many people don't realize this but it can take a lot of energy out of your gas system. Major common problem with Stag 10 factory built guns. So take a flash light and look at the chamber to see if its rough. The spent brass if you keep it also will show you where in the chamber is the problem. Once this is polished smooth, the whole system has a much easier time pulling spent cases out of the chamber. Sometimes it can be so rough that it doesn't pull the cases out at all and can cause a live round to feed behind the sent round that is stuck in the chamber.

Another common issue is buffers. Lots of people these days like these fancy silent buffers systems and light weight BCG's that totally don't work with the system they have. Its worth putting in a standard H Buffer if it doesn't already have it and see if that helps.
 
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