New Trudeau Blair rules on shotguns

Exactly what we've been saying, but some folks like to divide us even more. You're not gaining any support by being dicks.


Important notice: Update on#10#and#12#gauge shotgun classification under the new prohibition

On May#1st,#2020, the Government of Canada announced that it had made amendments to the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted (SOR/98-462) [Classification Regulations] prescribing certain firearms as prohibited. One of the categories of the newly prohibited firearms include"Any firearm with a bore diameter of#20#mm or greater"#(s.#95#of the Classification Regulations).

The Canadian Firearms Program (CFP) of the RCMP adheres to the Association of Firearm and Tool Mark Examiners' (AFTE) definition for bore diameter measurements. "The interior dimensions of the barrel forward of the chamber but before the choke." (Glossary of the Association of Firearm & Tool Mark Examiners by the AFTE Standardization Committee,#1st Ed.#1980). This is reflected in the RCMP's Firearms Reference Table (FRT) which clearly states that#"...in shotguns, diameter of the barrel forward of the chamber but before the choke."#The CFP also recognizes the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI) standards regarding firearms and ammunition. The SAAMI chamber specifications for#10ga and#12ga shotguns do not include chokes therefore indicating that chokes are not part of the bore. Accordingly, it is the CFP's view that, in accordance with acceptable firearms industry standards for shotguns, the bore diameter measurement is considered to be at a point after the chamber, but before the choke.

Further, in making classification assessments of firearms which are reflected in the FRT, the CFP relies on recognized industry standard measurements. With respect to#10ga and#12ga shotguns, the CFP recognizes the SAAMI standard specifications which establish that the nominal (i.e. standard) bore diameter measurements for#10ga and#12ga shotguns are below the#20mm threshold (19.69mm for#10ga,#18.42mm for#12ga).
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Sharps '74 said:
All I can say to the Fudds who thought their guns were safe is - "How do you like them apples .....?"

We tried to get this across to them DECADES ago only to be laughed off. Who's laughing now?
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Apples are sweet enough thanks

VICIOUS said:
STAND by; waiting for heads to explode when they realize. PPE handy.
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Only head exploding will be a tom turkey tomorrow.
 
So did they remove the relic shotgun from the prohib list? 10 bucks there are many many more that get prohibited as well as hunting rifles.
 
Again, this is RCMP OPINION. Just like the 10/22 mags. They may not enforce it but they could. Nowhere in the CCC, or the Firearms Act does it state any definitions of bore, choke etc. You can say all the technical jargon you want, they could still charge people (likely won’t happen for a while). Until it goes to court and precedent set either way, we will never know what the future ramifications are. So to all who are sighing and relieved you should still be concerned. You are not safe and the government WILL NOT protect you. As long as the wording they have in the CCC, REGS and OIC are there, you can still be targeted.
 
3macs1 said:
He cannot grab a breath to talk like I am from laughing so much. Here I posted this else ware. Try to grasp it

11 pages and no one noticed he didnot install the proper 12ga ring and zero the gauge..Unbelievable how bad you guys what this to be real. No god dam wonder he got over .80
Who is the guy on the end of the dial. This is priceless. Notice he has nothing over the steel balls on the gauge head showing it was zero'd LOL
OMG. However look where he went to measure the bore not on the end of the barrel which was right too bad someone didnot show him how to use the gauge correctly. Show me the ring??? that he has to install in the pic to zero and all of these gauges use them to do it right and it is no where to be seen
This is turning into a gong show for the CSSA
Then he talks about back boring which didnot even start until 1987 like 25 years after that old girl was made

“The heads of our unit are marked with the gauge size, and the rings are marked with the corresponding diameters for easy recognition and use. Example: To measure a 12-gauge barrel, you would install the 12-gauge head on the shaft and slide the .700 ring over the three steel balls on the head. Next, set the dial on the indicator to 0. The 0 represents .700. Inserting the head into the muzzle end of the barrel past the choke area will give a reading larger than 0. For example, 29. This indicates a bore diameter of .729 which is the nominal size for American shotguns and many European shotguns as well. As you pull the head toward the muzzle, the dial will read a lower number and might even go past 0. For example, it might read 95. This would indicate a choke diameter of .695 and thus a Full choke. To determine the actual points of constriction the choke is imparting on the pattern, you would subtract .695 from .729 for a total of .034.


“The heads of our unit are marked with the gauge size, and the rings are marked with the corresponding diameters for easy recognition and use. Example: To measure a 12-gauge barrel, you would install the 12-gauge head on the shaft and slide the .700 ring over the three steel balls on the head. Next, set the dial on the indicator to 0. The 0 represents .700. Inserting the head into the muzzle end of the barrel past the choke area will give a reading larger than 0. For example, 29. This indicates a bore diameter of .729 which is the nominal size for American shotguns and many European shotguns as well. As you pull the head toward the muzzle, the dial will read a lower number and might even go past 0. For example, it might read 95. This would indicate a choke diameter of .695 and thus a Full choke. To determine the actual points of constriction the choke is imparting on the pattern, you would subtract .695 from .729 for a total of .034.
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Out of this world! Laugh2Laugh2Laugh2
 
Tokay444 said:
“RCMP Confirms”
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yep they sure did .

Important notice: Update on 10 and 12 gauge shotgun classification under the new prohibition
On May 1st, 2020, the Government of Canada announced that it had made amendments to the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted (SOR/98-462) [Classification Regulations] prescribing certain firearms as prohibited. One of the categories of the newly prohibited firearms include "Any firearm with a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater" (s. 95 of the Classification Regulations).

The Canadian Firearms Program (CFP) of the RCMP adheres to the Association of Firearm and Tool Mark Examiners' (AFTE) definition for bore diameter measurements. "The interior dimensions of the barrel forward of the chamber but before the choke." (Glossary of the Association of Firearm & Tool Mark Examiners by the AFTE Standardization Committee, 1st Ed. 1980). This is reflected in the RCMP's Firearms Reference Table (FRT) which clearly states that "...in shotguns, diameter of the barrel forward of the chamber but before the choke." The CFP also recognizes the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI) standards regarding firearms and ammunition. The SAAMI chamber specifications for 10ga and 12ga shotguns do not include chokes therefore indicating that chokes are not part of the bore. Accordingly, it is the CFP's view that, in accordance with acceptable firearms industry standards for shotguns, the bore diameter measurement is considered to be at a point after the chamber, but before the choke.

Further, in making classification assessments of firearms which are reflected in the FRT, the CFP relies on recognized industry standard measurements. With respect to 10ga and 12ga shotguns, the CFP recognizes the SAAMI standard specifications which establish that the nominal (i.e. standard) bore diameter measurements for 10ga and 12ga shotguns are below the 20mm threshold (19.69mm for 10ga, 18.42mm for 12ga).
 
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skooch said:
Again, this is RCMP OPINION. Just like the 10/22 mags. They may not enforce it but they could. Nowhere in the CCC, or the Firearms Act does it state any definitions of bore, choke etc. You can say all the technical jargon you want, they could still charge people (likely won’t happen for a while). Until it goes to court and precedent set either way, we will never know what the future ramifications are. So to all who are sighing and relieved you should still be concerned. You are not safe and the government WILL NOT protect you. As long as the wording they have in the CCC, REGS and OIC are there, you can still be targeted.
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Can't speak for anyone else, but I am not kidding myself here. I have always been supportive for all gun owner's rights (and always will be), donate money, join the orgs, vote PC my whole life, wrote letters when letters were actually hand written, 100's of emails. However, the attitudes shown here in this thread is the problem within our community. Gloating and name calling just pushes the division further.
 
blargon said:
Can't speak for anyone else, but I am not kidding myself here. I have always been supportive for all gun owner's rights (and always will be), donate money, join the orgs, vote PC my whole life, wrote letters when letters were actually hand written, 100's of emails. However, the attitudes shown here in this thread is the problem within our community. Gloating and name calling just pushes the division further.
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Agree 100% . Funny I just shared this

Read this post on another form and it sure hit home. Not my words

I've been on here for almost a decade. My post count might not be super high, but I've been around.

I've seen this a thousand, thousand, thousand times.

It's easier to fight & argue with your fellow owners than it is to argue with the government and I think it makes people feel like they are doing something about it and not actually powerless.

It's just smoke and mirrors inside people's heads, no different than yelling at the chick making your subway sandwich because your cheese triangles aern't quite right because you got wrongfully hit with a speeding ticket.

People just don't get it, everyone wants to be divisive. "That guy is a fudd!" "That guy has a scary black rifle!" "That guy FISHES? How dare he!" "That guy is less disciplined than me!" "That guy made a mistake, how dare he have his finger there"

Instead of...

"Wow, we all have something to lose here. We'd better organize and stop arguing. It's slowly being proven that even things people think are hilariously imagined threats are real. Some guys have black guns, some have wood guns, sometimes the black guns are bigger than the wood guns, sometimes the wood guns are bigger than the black guns, but the government just sees them as.... guns. We've all got stuff to lose."

The firearms community is toxic as all get out, and that's part of why we get screwed again and again and again... we're easy pickings and do it to ourselves, because we keep saying "Won't happen to me, I'm not like him"
 
blargon said:
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firea...w-prohibition-certain-firearms-and-devices?re
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Oh yes I have Shawn on ignore but seen the attachment on yours but it is a waste of time trying to change the mind of this lawyer . Plus he is very busy now trying to find a new law degree after his last big case loss :)
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