HI anyone here know what/how a barrel conversion will
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So if he wants to save some money by shooting ipsc with a cheaper caliber he has to buy a whole new gun
as long as the barrel is the same length then I'd say go ahead and just don't tell anyone its a replacement barrel. The only time you will have a problem is at a level 3 or higher or if you get ratted out by some sore-loser-duche-bag, who spent a #### load of money doing all the allowed preformace modifications who can't deal with the fact he got beat by a better shooter that didn't need to trick their gun out. if it wasn't for the g22 on the side of the slide there would be no way of knowing. This is why I love production, "aka TINKERERS & GUNSMITHS NOT WELCOME"-Vince Pinto, go buy a G22 put grip tape on it, add fiber optic sights, an extended mag release and slide release, swap out a few internals to give it a better trigger (as long as its at or over 5lbs), custom make some downloaded 136pf ammo and buy a $150 dollar race holster for it and your good to go. Buy a g22 and $15 kydex holster, don't do anything to it but put a same length 9mm barrel into it to cut down on ammo cost and your a cheater.
Not to hijack the thread but to put a differnet spin on the stupidity of this rule I give the following hypothetical. I buy a 10mm glock, cost of ammo and/or 10mm brass get out of my budget, can I run .40 S&W thru it at a match? I didn't change any components, but I'm not using the designed caliber, is that giving me an unfair advantage?
Or how about this, my G22 barrel cracks, I can't et a glock barrel due to import restrictions or budget issues, but I have access to a nonfactory barrel that is made to the same specs as the factory at half the cost.
Or how about this, my G22 barrel cracks, I can't et a glock barrel due to import restrictions or budget issues, but I have access to a nonfactory barrel that is made to the same specs as the factory at half the cost.
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Under the production rules you have to use a glock barrel. They would spot the lone wolf pretty quick and you'd be shooting in "open". Also the 9mm barrel is not an option on the glock 22 so you should just use the downloaded 40 cal.
A box stock glock except for a new non factory barrel of the same caliber is an open gun.
A SP01 sent to a gunsmith to get grip tape, fiber optic sights, down graded recoil spring ,totaly overhauled trigger that is a couple onces in the single action with reduced reset travel... is a Production gun. Anybody else find the humour in that?
A SP01 sent to a gunsmith to get grip tape, fiber optic sights, down graded recoil spring ,totaly overhauled trigger that is a couple onces in the single action with reduced reset travel... is a Production gun. Anybody else find the humour in that?
Hijack away.
I totally agree with Madness. I bought a lonewolf barrel for my G22 which just changes it to a 9. I think Im still at a disadvantage using the 9 cal vs the 40. Its so much cheaper to use 9.
If you mod as per madness suggested then who is really at an advantage?
The only good this about my 40 is its freakishly accurate for a combat gun, very accurate.
I totally agree with Madness. I bought a lonewolf barrel for my G22 which just changes it to a 9. I think Im still at a disadvantage using the 9 cal vs the 40. Its so much cheaper to use 9.
If you mod as per madness suggested then who is really at an advantage?
The only good this about my 40 is its freakishly accurate for a combat gun, very accurate.
You can agree with Madness all you like....but he's still wrong
You asked a question and you got the answer (as per the rules)...sorry if it;s not the one you wanted.
No one said all the rules made sense...but you still have to follow them.
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In this situation yes, What are the production rules in place for???
So that no one can gain an UNFAIR advantage over the rest of the division by tweaking with the gun, which is a great reason for the rules. Take 2 shooters, shooter A has a box stock G17 shooter B has a box stock G22, at arms distance they look identical, they feel identical, they function identicaly. Both shooters are on even ground, there are some advantages to each caliber but just on firearm mechanics they are on even ground. Now shooter B puts in a G17 barrel into a G22, has he/she gained an UNFAIR advantage by doing so????? if so how and why?? or what if shooter B put a G17 top end onto his/her G22 frame, same questions? if you were shooter A would you actualy feel that your at any disadvantage to shooter B?
A point was made that the barrel swap would be illegal because a 9mm barrel is not an option on a G22, this is true, it is also true that an extended mag release and/or slide release is not an option on a G22 either, correct? but they're allowed by the rules.
To just blindly follow rules and regulations just because they are their without factoring in the intent of the rule is bureaucratic BS. We're not supposed to drive any faster then the speed limit, but who doesnt go 1 or 2 or 5 or more over the limit. Is a police officer going to pull you over and write out a ticket for some one doing 2 over the limit because that's the rule no if's,and's or but's?
This isn;t a case of putting in a tungsten or high density steel barrel to tame recoil this is some one wanting to make their gun more afordable to shoot, so that they can play our game. There is nothing nefarious behind this decision, they're not reworking or changing how the gun handles or functions.
If they're choice is either to change out the barrel to afford the massive amount of ammo IPSC consumes inoder to join up or not join at all, then we've made the decison for them by telling them to buy a new gun or screw off.
The market place for replacement guns/parts could be facing a pretty rough time on the horizon, how would you like it if your production gun broke and your options were to fix it with a $100 part that would put you into open or buy a new gun for $1000+ . Or who about the front of your SP01's dust cover cracks and falls off, noting realy critical, just weld it back on and blend everything back in rather then buying a whole new gun right? better make sure when you reblue the gun its identical to the factory colour other wise you got yourself a new Open gun.
Lets look at this situation in Standard Divison,
A couple years ago SVI intorduced their "sight-tracker" model, a modular hi-cap 1911 using an unported Schueman hibred barrel to put more weight up front, lighten the slide and stop the front sight from moving back and forth with the slide. Once SVI met the proper units sold and availabilty time period they were legal in Standard/Limited, But people started to build these guns on STI frames and nothing was said for some reason? STI never made anything like it or offered it in their product line but these prototypes were allowed to compete.
Do we really want to turn away a new IPSC member over this???????????????
So that no one can gain an UNFAIR advantage over the rest of the division by tweaking with the gun, which is a great reason for the rules. Take 2 shooters, shooter A has a box stock G17 shooter B has a box stock G22, at arms distance they look identical, they feel identical, they function identicaly. Both shooters are on even ground, there are some advantages to each caliber but just on firearm mechanics they are on even ground. Now shooter B puts in a G17 barrel into a G22, has he/she gained an UNFAIR advantage by doing so????? if so how and why?? or what if shooter B put a G17 top end onto his/her G22 frame, same questions? if you were shooter A would you actualy feel that your at any disadvantage to shooter B?
A point was made that the barrel swap would be illegal because a 9mm barrel is not an option on a G22, this is true, it is also true that an extended mag release and/or slide release is not an option on a G22 either, correct? but they're allowed by the rules.
To just blindly follow rules and regulations just because they are their without factoring in the intent of the rule is bureaucratic BS. We're not supposed to drive any faster then the speed limit, but who doesnt go 1 or 2 or 5 or more over the limit. Is a police officer going to pull you over and write out a ticket for some one doing 2 over the limit because that's the rule no if's,and's or but's?
This isn;t a case of putting in a tungsten or high density steel barrel to tame recoil this is some one wanting to make their gun more afordable to shoot, so that they can play our game. There is nothing nefarious behind this decision, they're not reworking or changing how the gun handles or functions.
If they're choice is either to change out the barrel to afford the massive amount of ammo IPSC consumes inoder to join up or not join at all, then we've made the decison for them by telling them to buy a new gun or screw off.
The market place for replacement guns/parts could be facing a pretty rough time on the horizon, how would you like it if your production gun broke and your options were to fix it with a $100 part that would put you into open or buy a new gun for $1000+ . Or who about the front of your SP01's dust cover cracks and falls off, noting realy critical, just weld it back on and blend everything back in rather then buying a whole new gun right? better make sure when you reblue the gun its identical to the factory colour other wise you got yourself a new Open gun.
Lets look at this situation in Standard Divison,
A couple years ago SVI intorduced their "sight-tracker" model, a modular hi-cap 1911 using an unported Schueman hibred barrel to put more weight up front, lighten the slide and stop the front sight from moving back and forth with the slide. Once SVI met the proper units sold and availabilty time period they were legal in Standard/Limited, But people started to build these guns on STI frames and nothing was said for some reason? STI never made anything like it or offered it in their product line but these prototypes were allowed to compete.
Do we really want to turn away a new IPSC member over this???????????????
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It's black and white Mike. 
If you know what rules we should follow, and what we're allowed to ignore...you must be smarter than me.
It's an illegal mod. If you feel so strongly about it...send something into the rules committee. In the meantime, we follow the rules as printed.
Stop giving him bad advice
Maybe Jester should have kept the G17 and sold the G22
If you know what rules we should follow, and what we're allowed to ignore...you must be smarter than me.
It's an illegal mod. If you feel so strongly about it...send something into the rules committee. In the meantime, we follow the rules as printed.
Stop giving him bad advice
Maybe Jester should have kept the G17 and sold the G22
Damn that was a fast response, much quicker then 3 months and counting
"You can agree with Madness all you like....but he's still wrong "
IF its wrong to find away to ge a new shooter into the game that doesn't envolve anyone getting screwed over then so be it, hey maybe we can come up with a way to raise membership dues to buy em a new gun and pay for their matches???? Socialism rules
black and white doenst exist anymore these days it's all just different shades of grey.
"You can agree with Madness all you like....but he's still wrong "
IF its wrong to find away to ge a new shooter into the game that doesn't envolve anyone getting screwed over then so be it, hey maybe we can come up with a way to raise membership dues to buy em a new gun and pay for their matches???? Socialism rules
black and white doenst exist anymore these days it's all just different shades of grey.
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