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PinaKaleada said:
I promise I'm not Mike Glover in real life, even though he's saying the exact same thing I've been saying pages after pages.

4:54 "until I realized in combat, I didnt have enough time to pick up my front sight"
6:35 "There's no point in reality, where you can take your gun and transition your field of view from target focus to front sight focus before you get shot in the face and die"
13:43 "In a gun fight you do not have the time to find your front sight if you're reacting to an immediate threat."

But you know what, it doesn't matter, people are too set in their own ways to take this seriously. Anyhow, thanks for posting it though, I did find the idea of finding your front sight while shooting interesting.
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LOL

That proves me right

Notice the distance to target and how he constantly is talking about under 12 feet? Not the 10m or what ever BS you were spouting off about. Distance = time and time = life

You can post what ever you tube vids you want and pics of you plinker brass all you want, does not change the fact you were wrong. Also who do you think provides the training that the people that do it for real get? Thats right people like Mike Glover. Who do you think makes the gunfighter programs? That's right people like Mike Glover.

Sorry dude watching a you tube makes you a gunfighter as much as watching you tube makes you a heart surgeon

Shawn
 
shawn said:
LOL

That proves me right

Notice the distance to target and how he constantly is talking about under 12 feet? Not the 10m or what ever BS you were spouting off about. Distance = time and time = life

You can post what ever you tube vids you want and pics of you plinker brass all you want, does not change the fact you were wrong. Also who do you think provides the training that the people that do it for real get? Thats right people like Mike Glover. Who do you think makes the gunfighter programs? That's right people like Mike Glover.

Sorry dude watching a you tube makes you a gunfighter as much as watching you tube makes you a heart surgeon

Shawn
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All I’m pointing out is that even he agrees “you don’t have time to pick up your front sight”

I sense insecurity behind all that aggressiveness.

I’m open minded. Instead of aggressiveness, can you please finally post some videos or case study of real life situations that supports your view already? Literally asked you for this forever. Still waiting :rolleyes:
 
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PinaKaleada said:
I promise I'm not Mike Glover in real life, even though he's saying the exact same thing I've been saying pages after pages.

4:54 "until I realized in combat, I didnt have enough time to pick up my front sight"
6:35 "There's no point in reality, where you can take your gun and transition your field of view from target focus to front sight focus before you get shot in the face and die"
13:43 "In a gun fight you do not have the time to find your front sight if you're reacting to an immediate threat."

But you know what, it doesn't matter, people are too set in their own ways to take this seriously. Anyhow, thanks for posting it though, I did find the idea of finding your front sight while shooting interesting.
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haha wow you missed the entire point of the video and even the title of the video. But you’re open minded...
 
Sinasta said:
haha wow you missed the entire point of the video and even the title of the video. But you’re open minded...
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What I got from it was that his didn’t see his front sights shooting the first 3 shots, by 4 and 5 he was able to aim and hit more vital places like the head. He said it was too slow to see the front sights first. And it makes sense at close range.

Let’s say I’m mistaken. Can you summarize the video? (Quote him like I did with the video time)
 
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PinaKaleada said:
What I got from it was that his didn’t see his front sights shooting the first 3 shots, by 4 and 5 he was able to aim and hit more vital places like the head. He said it was too slow to see the front sights first. And it makes sense at close range.

Let’s say I’m mistaken. Can you summarize the video? (Quote him like I did with the video time)
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Sure. At 13:40, he summarizes:

Remember, in a gunfight, you do not have the time to find your front sight if you're reacting to an immediate threat.
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However, the key message that Mike makes is @8:35

If you practice this tactic you can shoot from 25 yards and point shoot targets. And the question would be, "well why would I do that?" Because I just told you that you don't have enough time. But is that the end solution? Is that the tactic you apply through the duration and through the cadence? Absolutely not, because I'm not teaching you to point shoot through engagements. I'm teaching you to evolve through the gunfight.
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So, evolve in reaction to an immediate threat, get your body and hardware in motion, drive your arms toward the target and start to fire. Through fluidity and steady shot cadence, your eyes should begin, through practice, to resolve and acquire the front sight post, and your patterns will tighten near the end of the shot string.

So, insofar as Mike's lesson, it seems as though a lot of folks in this thread got some things right and some things wrong. It's not an Either/Or, it's a Both/And - there is a spectrum across which you would react and evolve through the engagement. If I recall, there were some in here of the variety, loosely paraphrasing, "I would never pull the trigger unless the target was thoroughly, and unequivocally, resolved in my sights." While others seemed to be the variety of "as soon as the firearm is above my waist, the lead is loose." Mike seems to suggest the smart play is training to start with one(ish) and end with the other(ish).
 
mclmm said:
Sure. At 13:40, he summarizes:



However, the key message that Mike makes is @8:35



So, evolve in reaction to an immediate threat, get your body and hardware in motion, drive your arms toward the target and start to fire. Through fluidity and steady shot cadence, your eyes should begin, through practice, to resolve and acquire the front sight post, and your patterns will tighten near the end of the shot string.

So, insofar as Mike's lesson, it seems as though a lot of folks in this thread got some things right and some things wrong. It's not an Either/Or, it's a Both/And - there is a spectrum across which you would react and evolve through the engagement. If I recall, there were some in here of the variety, loosely paraphrasing, "I would never pull the trigger unless the target was thoroughly, and unequivocally, resolved in my sights." While others seemed to be the variety of "as soon as the firearm is above my waist, the lead is loose." Mike seems to suggest the smart play is training to start with one(ish) and end with the other(ish).
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What I’ve learned from the video that I didn’t realize beforehand, was the part where he suggests you can acquire sight picture(rifle or pistol) after you have let your first few rounds starts fly, before the “final” aimed vital hits.

This “shoot while you aim” method makes complete sense and I can see how that must have stemmed from his experience.
 
PinaKaleada said:
All I’m pointing out is that even he agrees “you don’t have time to pick up your front sight”
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No that is not what he says, he says at 0-10 feet you don't have time, not the blanket statement BS you have been posting. And cherry picking you tube videos to find 5 sec quotes from 24hour to 48 hours courses as "proof".

PinaKaleada said:
I’m open minded
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No you are not, you are fishing with a full blown case of confirmation bias

PinaKaleada said:
can you please finally post some videos or case study of real life situations that supports your view already? Literally asked you for this forever. Still waiting :rolleyes:
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Going to be a long wait LOL

You still don't even know what a case study is. But carry on your vast plinking experience far out ways that of people that have done this for real

Shawn
 
shawn said:
No that is not what he says, he says at 0-10 feet you don't have time, not the blanket statement BS you have been posting. And cherry picking you tube videos to find 5 sec quotes from 24hour to 48 hours courses as "proof".
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Oh so now you agree there are situations and distances that you don’t have time to aim first. Did I get that right?

He said 12ft is the FBI statistical radius of gun fight. He didn’t say 12ft is maximum, which you used to say my 5m(16.5ft) is wrong. Cherry pick?

Still waiting :rolleyes:
 
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shawn said:
Go ahead and quote where I said there was never a time when you could not use your sights

Shawn
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Oh okay, so we’re on the same page now? You agree there are situations and distances you may not be able to see the front sights before shooting? Cuz that was my point from the beginning.

I suggested 5m (16.5ft), Mike Glover said 12ft radius average is the FBI Statistics of gunfight distance. He didn’t say 12ft is the maximum.
 
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shawn said:
Go ahead and quote where I said there was never a time when you could not use your sights

Shawn
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Here's what you asked for, you said:

Post 54: "The only time some people didn't use their sights was the people picking up a gun for the first time and had not trained. They panicked" Is that the only time people don't use their sights?

Post 110: "Short answer is never. But shooting from retention you are not using the sights to aim" So non retention shooting is always aimed?

Post 187: "I have literally done gun play in real life. I saw my front sight/dot every time, as does every one who actually trains" So "everyone" includes Mike Glover right? :rolleyes:


You and Mike Glover can't be right at the same time. I think you're wrong.
 
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PinaKaleada said:
Here's what you asked for, you said:

Post 54: "The only time some people didn't use their sights was the people picking up a gun for the first time and had not trained. They panicked" Is that the only time people don't use their sights?

Post 110: "Short answer is never. But shooting from retention you are not using the sights to aim" So non retention shooting is always aimed?

Post 187: "I have literally done gun play in real life. I saw my front sight/dot every time, as does every one who actually trains" So "everyone" includes Mike Glover right? :rolleyes:


You and Mike Glover can't be right at the same time. I think you're wrong.
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LOL

Not a single on of these is saying there is not a single time you could not use your sights. But carry on making up sh*t I didn't say

I win

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And yes both Mike and I are correct we are saying the same thing

Shawn
 
Post 54: "The only time some people didn't use their sights was the people picking up a gun for the first time and had not trained. They panicked"

You said the "only time" is the "first time" and "panicked".

Post 110: "Short answer is never. But shooting from retention you are not using the sights to aim"

Besides retention, what does "never" mean?

Post 187: "I have literally done gun play in real life. I saw my front sight/dot every time, as does every one who actually trains"

"every one" somehow doesn't include Mike Glover. :rolleyes:

You stumble over your own words. You and Mike are saying opposite things. One of you are correct. I think you're wrong.
 
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PinaKaleada said:
Post 54: "The only time some people didn't use their sights was the people picking up a gun for the first time and had not trained. They panicked"

You said the "only time" is the "first time" and "panicked".

Post 110: "Short answer is never. But shooting from retention you are not using the sights to aim"

Besides retention, what does "never" mean?

Post 187: "I have literally done gun play in real life. I saw my front sight/dot every time, as does every one who actually trains"

"every one" somehow doesn't include Mike Glover. :rolleyes:

You stumble over your own words. You and Mike are saying opposite things. One of you are correct. I think you're wrong.
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Nope you are still wrong

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Shawn
 
shawn said:
LOL

Not a single on of these is saying there is not a single time you could not use your sights. But carry on making up sh*t I didn't say

I win

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And yes both Mike and I are correct we are saying the same thing

Shawn
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I'm not sure what that picture is supposed to mean to anyone, but the same picture is featured on Colorado Once Fired Brass website.http://www.coloradooncefiredbrass.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=9MM85000

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Are you affiliated with Colorado Brass? Still LOL?
 
mclmm said:
I'm not sure what that picture is supposed to mean to anyone, but the same picture is featured on Colorado Once Fired Brass website.http://www.coloradooncefiredbrass.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=9MM85000

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Are you affiliated with Colorado Brass? Still LOL?
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No and yes, read the thread

Old PK was using a pic of plinking brass to prove his qualifications to tell people who shoot people for a living that through his vast plinking experience he knew better

Shawn
 
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