ATRS Update: May 20th 2020 Re: MS / MH / MV

derrick1978 said:
That's the nature of running a business.
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The nature of business is commerce and profit.

Those that didn’t pay in full knew the risks beforehand, and wilfully chose a fallacious hedge. Do traders that buy stocks have the right to a refund when the market goes the wrong way? No, they don’t.
 
mclmm said:
The nature of business is commerce and profit.

Those that didn’t pay in full knew the risks beforehand, and wilfully chose a fallacious hedge. Do traders that buy stocks have the right to a refund when the market goes the wrong way? No, they don’t.
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Recently paid the 50% deposit, and literally explained to my other half that it’s like buying an option. If by delivery date it’s not banned, it’ll be worth more than the sale price. If it is banned, my option expired worthless but at least I get a paperweight.
 
mclmm said:
The nature of business is commerce and profit.

Those that didn’t pay in full knew the risks beforehand, and wilfully chose a fallacious hedge. Do traders that buy stocks have the right to a refund when the market goes the wrong way? No, they don’t.
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Apples to oranges, plus numerous protections would be in the customer's favor here. If the billet hasn't been placed in the cnc, shouldn't be an issue. Company should hold the bags in regards to the rest. When you engage in high-risk / high-profit margin business activities as such, be prepared for losses.
 
I'm not a wealthy person, I saved up for months and months for just my deposit and I just took the hit of paying the rest on my CC. The way I see it is, its another fight against this ridiculous ban. I used my GST Cheque from the Liberals to join CCFR and buy a bunch of merch to help support their lawsuit, I see this as no different. I'm paying for this regardless of what happens to support ATRS' lawsuit and get a receiver out of it, regardless of how this goes. That being said, Do I believe ATRS should offer a refund, absolutely, but for me it's a way to join the fight.
 
WarWolf said:
I'm not a wealthy person, I saved up for months and months for just my deposit and I just took the hit of paying the rest on my CC. The way I see it is, its another fight against this ridiculous ban. I used my GST Cheque from the Liberals to join CCFR and buy a bunch of merch to help support their lawsuit, I see this as no different. I'm paying for this regardless of what happens to support ATRS' lawsuit and get a receiver out of it, regardless of how this goes.
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No offense. It is Canadian's money. And we will eventually pay back.
 
ATRS -

If I buy, well pay in full for a deposit within the next 2 weeks...BEFORE any real ban, ie. named in a new/updated OIC..."what happens"? (Hopefully this doesn't happen)

Clearly it is months away before it will be done/made...so ya?

Sorry...really wanting one and doing all I can to scrap $$$ together ASAP!!!
 
Bfranklin said:
It would be helpful, and wise, if all 3 orgs, and all private businesses would pool resources into one large and public lawsuit.
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While that may look good on paper, I see an all eggs in one basket scenario...and the Libs salivating to make an Omelet.

What may be better, is for us to fund all 3 orgs, or as many that want to step up. Learn from the mistakes etc. Better luck getting a sympathetic and ethical, non-liberal Judge.
 
AlexF said:
Quebec's Provincial Police to consider prohibited only firearms in IOC
This thread is from francophone forum:
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2020736-Mise-a-Jour-SQ-CFO-QC-OIC-ATRS-MS-etc

The important point is that SQ will only consider a firearms as prohibited if it is in IOC and will not consider FRT status.
That means that I will be able to legally shot my ATRS MS in Quebec this summer!!!
This is great news for all Canadians since I suspect that the entire FRT reclassification is basically considered at least dubious by one large law enforcement organisation.

Alex
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.....quebec strikes again clearly showing they have no interest being a part of Canada
 
biologic said:
Huh? So you expect police to say that they wont enforce the law?
Fudd call
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I reposted this thread from the francophone section and it is hearsay.
If it proved to be true, it means that Quebec's CFO will only apply written gun laws not changes made in a database.
Again, I should have posted this saying explicitly that it's not confirmed information.

Alex
 
AlexF said:
I reposted this thread from the francophone section and it is hearsay.
If it proved to be true, it means that Quebec's CFO will only apply written gun laws not changes made in a database.
Again, I should have posted this saying explicitly that it's not confirmed information.

Alex
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It would make sense as the FRT is opinion, the OIC is law.
 
VinnyQC said:
We expect them not to make up laws. The FRT isn't law. Going by it at a time when it is crystal clear that it's disconnected from its purpose is not enforcing laws, it's enforcing mistakes.
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exactly... so why is it a surprise? why is the other guy quebec bashing based on that statement
 
derrick1978 said:
Apples to oranges, plus numerous protections would be in the customer's favor here. If the billet hasn't been placed in the cnc, shouldn't be an issue. Company should hold the bags in regards to the rest. When you engage in high-risk / high-profit margin business activities as such, be prepared for losses.
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That sentiment is rather self entitled. Did it possibly occur to you that that block of aluminum is paid for BY US before it ships from Alcoa and is NON returnable? Did it occur to you that the several million dollars of CNC machines and the tools they require to turn said blocks into useful parts have a cost to us? These costs that we have to cover do NOT go away just because some idiot in power of the country with a rogue government changes laws or in our case breaks the law.

You have ZERO grasp on reality when it comes to profit in the firearms manufacturing game I can assure you. Profit is FAR higher reselling groceries or cosmetics, and without the massive investment I have in machines. Profit on firearms is UNDER 20%
Believe me we have waaaaaaaaaaaay more skin in the game than you do with a $500.00 deposit.

Riddle me this. IF you purchased a super car, say it costs you $250000.00 which is pretty much entry level and the government passed a law making them prohibited to drive on public roads. Do you really think the car maker should take the hit?

Something else to think about. This gun grab is only the very tip of the iceberg so to speak. It is the largest confiscation of privately owned, legally purchased property in Canadian history. Do you really think there are not more freedoms that are about to be taken away by this rogue government? In the grand scheme of things your deposit on a legally purchased and to date NOT effected firearm means exactly, squat.

This sort of thinking that anyone but you should be on the hook when things don't turn out the way you want is perverse and near sighted. We went out on a limb years ago to offer the Canadian gun culture an option of a NR semi auto. Not a small or cheap trick I can assure you. We have had this rogue government in power for the last 5 years and from day 1 the Turd has been yapping about gun bans. IF you have in fact have an order in with us, you KNEW going in that this country is run by the Turd and the possibility of a gun ban certainly existed, yet assuming you have placed an order, proceeded anyway. AND agreed to the terms and conditions of the sale, so I am at a loss as to why we are at blame and should cover YOUR gambling debt?

Did it ever occur to you that we are filing a legal action against the government for their illegal acts AT OUR EXPENSE in order to try and protect YOUR property rights and freedoms?

To all, if I seem a tad crusty I apologize but this last month has been filled with emails and phone calls from the self entitled and those in panic. This a very stressful time for us all. IF we don't win our case we at the shop are all unemployed, several of us will lose our homes and face insolvency. Most of us here have substantial gun collections that are now worthless as they were named in the OIC. Working in firearms manufacturing is not just a job, it is a way of life. Most of us here could make considerably more income working in some other occupation. We do what we do because we love doing it.
 
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