ATRS Update: May 20th 2020 Re: MS / MH / MV

You don't have to forgive JR, but we have to acknowledge that he is just as important in this fight as anyone else.

I agree people can change, I've experienced it myself and he's proving it by all the work he is pushing forward in cooperation with the other interested parties.

This petty whining needs to end. The anti gun crowd is smaller but because they push one message relentlessly that is how they are beating us.
 
Here’s a thought.
Why don’t the businesses fund their own legal battles? It’s their lively hood on the line.
And let the rest of us support the orgs.
And while we’re on the topic of Shady business, there’s a lot of site vendors who’s guilty of some sort of shenanigans.
Keep in mind these businesses got their own self interest in mind first and foremost.
 
I like the ideas coming forward about financial support for success! Too often it sounds to good to be true but we buy it anyway and hope it works out only to be disappointed with the results! We have all been kind of sucked in like liberal voters! But without the handouts, only take aways!!
If we could get united, 2.2 million Pal/Rpal holders each donating a dollar a month could build a pretty sizeable war chest so to speak in a very short time to fund different groups and challenges on many different fronts! I like the mention of the 1000 cuts heading their direction for a change! We need to also hold them accountable for all our money they will spend to try and enforce their will upon us! As always they throw out a low ball # to the media for release when this will actually cost in the billions!
Agriculture gets 250 million, half of which was already budgeted?
WHO gets 850 million for off shore research! Trying to buy that seat on council?
9 billion to students? Oh right, they are future voters!
450 million for fish harvesters? Oh right, the east is still supporting his party!
Hmmm, every day he come out and panders our tax dollars to a new group of potential voters! It’s got to stop!
 
Ajax148 said:
I like the ideas coming forward about financial support for success! Too often it sounds to good to be true but we buy it anyway and hope it works out only to be disappointed with the results! We have all been kind of sucked in like liberal voters! But without the handouts, only take aways!!
If we could get united, 2.2 million Pal/Rpal holders each donating a dollar a month could build a pretty sizeable war chest so to speak in a very short time to fund different groups and challenges on many different fronts! I like the mention of the 1000 cuts heading their direction for a change! We need to also hold them accountable for all our money they will spend to try and enforce their will upon us! As always they throw out a low ball # to the media for release when this will actually cost in the billions!
Agriculture gets 250 million, half of which was already budgeted?
WHO gets 850 million for off shore research! Trying to buy that seat on council?
9 billion to students? Oh right, they are future voters!
450 million for fish harvesters? Oh right, the east is still supporting his party!
Hmmm, every day he come out and panders our tax dollars to a new group of potential voters! It’s got to stop!
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You're making me sad for all my tax dollars.... They're being abused and molested by this government.

Anyone an expert on organizing protests? The fact that Calgary's mayor spoke in favour of the may 1st gun ban suggests to me that city Hall or the street in front of his house, needs a good protest/demonstration.
 
Sorry I didn’t mean to!
The notion that a government can protect its individual citizens is a myth fed to sheep to herd them. It’s the sheep dogs that do the hard work. To supply and maintain a force to try and protect the citizens is plausible, but people need to be responsible for themselves, their actions and be respectful to others if we are to have a civil society.
Justin’s admiration for China and the UN’s socialist world order ideals does not bode well for Canada and all of our individual rights and freedoms we enjoy, although some more infringed upon than others at this time!
On Gun Nuts we are all preaching to the choir and arguing amongst ourselves! Your idea of protest is excellent and will get mainstream coverage if they are allowed to report on it! Protest works as we have recently seen across Canada! If we can get the truth out to the mislead people and can present real information not just virtue signalling, explain costs versus results promised as real fiction we will gain support!!
Hopefully and unfortunately, these times will bring our community together and stronger!?
 
TSE JR said:
100%
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But you were still selling/taking orders for the MS copy 2 days after the FRT of MS went prohib. So how can you sell a copy of MS (from the 19th to the 21st) knowing that the original went prohib on the 19th?

I am not trying to stir sh!t, just trying to understand the logic so if your books gets subpoenaed the buyers will be protected because frankly pleading ignorance (when the discussion of MS went prohib on the evening of the 19th is all over the forum,including your own thread) might not be a good defense in this case.
 
Let it go! We all need to support each other and every action in our defence if we are going to get anywhere, except maybe extinct if we can’t get our crap together! And fast and united!!
 
fluidmax said:
But you were still selling/taking orders for the MS copy 2 days after the FRT of MS went prohib. So how can you sell a copy of MS (from the 19th to the 21st) knowing that the original went prohib on the 19th?

I am not trying to stir sh!t, just trying to understand the logic so if your books gets subpoenaed the buyers will be protected because frankly pleading ignorance (when the discussion of MS went prohib on the evening of the 19th is all over the forum,including your own thread) might not be a good defense in this case.
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The Live FRT was made solely for importers and those who have connections with museums. That’s why very few people have access to it. The Business FRT is made for businesses to buy/sell/trade firearms. As far as I know, the Modern Sporter is only prohibited on the Live FRT. As long as you’re not importing it or keeping it in a museum, you won’t get in any trouble. And as long as the Business FRT shows it as non-restricted, you’re free to buy, sell, trade them.
 
fluidmax said:
But you were still selling/taking orders for the MS copy 2 days after the FRT of MS went prohib. So how can you sell a copy of MS (from the 19th to the 21st) knowing that the original went prohib on the 19th?

I am not trying to stir sh!t, just trying to understand the logic so if your books gets subpoenaed the buyers will be protected because frankly pleading ignorance (when the discussion of MS went prohib on the evening of the 19th is all over the forum,including your own thread) might not be a good defense in this case.
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The MS is mistakenly prohib. in the RCMP’s personal diary/ directory of firearms.

It is not named in IOC and is still NR in the public FRT system.

Hopefully the whole IOC gets tossed because it’s lunacy, but it is law, while the private FRT of the RCMP is not.
 
Ajax148 said:
Let it go! We all need to support each other and every action in our defence if we are going to get anywhere, except maybe extinct if we can’t get our crap together! And fast and united!!
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No point in supporting someone who will throw others under the bus for profit, which TSE has been proven to do. Support a good Canadian manufacturer like ATRS instead.
 
If individuals continue, infractions will be handed out... This is a thread about ATR's rifles, leave it at that.

You've been warned.

Jay
 
I will support ATRS and anyone else who will take our cause forward. Because wether we like it or not we are all in this together!
 
jeffman said:
the ms is mistakenly prohib. In the rcmp’s personal diary/ directory of arbitrary government overreach.

it is not named in ioc and is still nr in the public frt system.

Hopefully the whole ioc gets tossed because it’s lunacy, but it is law, while the private frt of the rcmp is not.
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fify :)
 
TopShelf97 said:
The Live FRT was made solely for importers and those who have connections with museums. That’s why very few people have access to it. The Business FRT is made for businesses to buy/sell/trade firearms. As far as I know, the Modern Sporter is only prohibited on the Live FRT. As long as you’re not importing it or keeping it in a museum, you won’t get in any trouble. And as long as the Business FRT shows it as non-restricted, you’re free to buy, sell, trade them.
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Good explanation but you don't mention using the MS - where does that land now legally speaking?

From the reading I have done it seems that as the FRT databases which are accessible to the common folk show it as NR then technically its still good.

The potential issue I see is that if contact with any uninformed LE members were to happen then:

1) It looks like an AR-15 and Justin said they were banned so out come the cuffs

2) The FRT would be your defence, and it still shows NR, but if LE check their database and it shows as prohibited guess which one they will go with (out come the cuffs again) and a long expensive legal battle will begin.

Or am I missing something?
 
derrick1978 said:
What you did was unforgivable, anybody who gives you money is nuts.
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We all made mistakes in the past, if there was ever a time to move on it is now. Now if you feel you cant get ocer your grudge, that is fine, but there is a point especially in these times that your vendetta only get counterproductive!
 
Man I am scrambling to scrape up enough cake for an MS. ATRS is working on one of my rifles at the moment, as soon as this gets done I'm hoping to be able to commit to one. Always thought I would have more time without the government pressing the timeline.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
This is my stance, you are correct. Our claim is. based on justifications and the fact that the government broke the law in re-classifying not only our rifles but many others.
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I'm in for a donation when you file a court challenge. I think you guys have a pretty strong case here, especially since it sounds like you have all the supporting documentation that this was an entirely new firearm design and the RCMP agreed that it was a new design. This blatant overreach and abuse of power needs to be put to an end, just like the OIC.
 
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