Are Norincos every going to reach our shores?

dannyair said:
I spoke to a gunsmith about them and he told me he refuses to work on them as they just break.
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I operated a gunsmithing shop for over 20 years. Norincos do not break any more often than any other gun. Now there are some other makes that I dreaded, because they are a pain to work on. He must have a very financially successful business if he can turn work away based on manufacturer.

Some models of Chinese guns do have issues, and some models are better than others. But to comdemn all Chinese guns because they "just break" is inaccurate, and demonstrates fundamental ignorance.
 
dannyair said:
Why do you guys want cheap poor quality copies of other manufactures designs? Why not get the real thing or at least something that has a decent finish on it? I just don't get this Norinco thing. I spoke to a gunsmith about them and he told me he refuses to work on them as they just break. He can't understand why someone would take a poorly made copy and spend all kinds of money on it with expensive aftermarket components. You really do get what you pay for in most cases. Clones I say but with crappier components. It can't be the money thing because the ammo costs so much over a short period of time. You'd think people would spend a few extra dollars and get something of higher quality with more durability and more value. Oh I think I'm stirring the pot but I want to know what you guys are thinking. Is it about the savings?
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If you are referring to the 1911 everybody is making the clones, so why not try the Chinese versions. Sure the finish on them is not the best, but they have forged frame and slide therefore are perfect base for a custom build.

My $0.02
 
tiriaq said:
He must have a very financially successful business if he can turn work away based on manufacturer.

Some models of Chinese guns do have issues, and some models are better than others. But to comdemn all Chinese guns because they "just break" is inaccurate, and demonstrates fundamental ignorance.
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I think he does have a very sucsessful business. He's been doing it for over 20 years as well. I got the feeling it wasn't about the money but about his reputation for quality and less returning problems. He believes that you need a good frame and slide to start with and to build on that. That usually means "not the cheapest available". At no time did he say all Chinese guns just break but he did say that the Noricos have more problems then any other 1911 he's worked on. Maybe that does mean all Chinese guns I don't really know. I mean if you buy the cheapest price do you get the same quality? Are you saying that you get the same quality steel as most other 1911s?
 
Paulinski said:
If you are referring to the 1911 everybody is making the clones, so why not try the Chinese versions. Sure the finish on them is not the best, but they have forged frame and slide therefore are perfect base for a custom build.

My $0.02
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You’re absolutely right. Everyone is making clones. I just wanted to know why people choose Noricos over other manufactures. So if they are forged does that mean the quality is there as compared to forged frame and slides from other manufactures?
 
dannyair said:
You’re absolutely right. Everyone is making clones. I just wanted to know why people choose Noricos over other manufactures. So if they are forged does that mean the quality is there as compared to forged frame and slides from other manufactures?
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I own STI, Kimber, Colt and Norinco, while not as pretty as the other three it shoots just as good.

Where are you going to buy forged frame and slide for $200?
 
dannyair said:
Why do you guys want cheap poor quality copies of other manufactures designs? Why not get the real thing or at least something that has a decent finish on it? I just don't get this Norinco thing. I spoke to a gunsmith about them and he told me he refuses to work on them as they just break. He can't understand why someone would take a poorly made copy and spend all kinds of money on it with expensive aftermarket components. You really do get what you pay for in most cases. Clones I say but with crappier components. It can't be the money thing because the ammo costs so much over a short period of time. You'd think people would spend a few extra dollars and get something of higher quality with more durability and more value. Oh I think I'm stirring the pot but I want to know what you guys are thinking. Is it about the savings?
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No offence, but your gunsmith is either on crack, or he's an old crabby guy who hasn't bothered to look at a Norinco in the past 10 years. And Im willing to go out on a limb and say that chances are you've never fired or probably even seen a Norinco for that matter. This has been the case for most Norinco bashers i have met. Ive owned 6 different Norinco handguns and all of them were fantastic. They were accurate, reliable and were not fussy on what kind of ammunition it was fed. If someone came up to me and gave me the choice to buy any 1200$ 1911 on the market, or give me 1200$ and buy a Norinco 1911 and upgrade it the way I see fit, I'd buy the Norinco and upgrade it without hesitation. Then probably toss 300$ back to the guy and outshoot any of his 1911's.

Imo, I would change gunsmith :slap:
 
ther are gunsmiths and there are gunsmiths- i've had at least 2 guns worked on-in one , the guy did a beautiful drill and tap and fitted new handle to a bolt on a bubba'd 98- was an absolutely beautiful job- had the same company a few years later do a similar job in a brazilian and the guy bubbled the bolt head- said the metals were inferior on south american guns- i've also ran into at leas one that won't touch a ruger, yet s&w are fine- go a half block down, and you get the same thing , but with colt and smith- the only really pos i ever got was an ithica 49, and all the norinco stuff i've gotten over the last few years have varied from good to excellent-
if NORCS are so poor, WHYare a lot of reputable people south of the border selecting them for bases for custom jobs?
 
RDevigne said:
Ive been checking Marstars website for almost half a year now and there hasn't been anything in stock :confused:. Im concerned in two parts, first off, Norinco products being one of Marstars biggest sellers, this must be devasting to their company, second, does anyone know what the problem is in getting them in the country?

On another note, I was told by a co-worker that he was told by a Border Officer ( US side I think ) That very shortly, there will be no importations of firearms of any kind from the U.S. :confused: I hope that's not true. We already have a pretty limited amount of choice as it is. I'm starting to wonder if this has anything to do with future plans in this country. No firearms importations allowed has a slippery slope to no guns allowed. I hope to god im being paranoid :jerkit:
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Sportstarget I think has some, click on the banner at top
 
So as far as I can tell the only difference from a Norinco is the cost and finish. From what everyone is saying they shoot every bit as good and in some cases better as anything made in North America. It sounds like reliablity is a non-issue too. I must admit I like having the nice perty finish on my arms.
 
Does anybody here have any experience with Hi-Point pistols? At least they are made in the US and have a LIFE-TIME warranty. I've also heard they are popular with criminals, and we all know how they value features like reliability and consistency.

I'm probably the most uneducated person when it comes to importation rules and laws, but last time I checked, the US is a hell of a lot closer than China and there are no boats involved.
 
"Everyone should have a 'brace' of Norc 1911's..."

I have four now, only three handguns...is that a thrace?

dannyair - If it is quality of steel you are concerned about, then you won't find any stronger than what is in the 1911 Norincos. Claven2 did an disertation on this subject some time ago. You won;'t find better slides and frames on any other 1911. Note I said better, lots are as good but not better.

Incidently my three 1911's, two have been worked on extensively to satisfy my ego, have worked flawlessly since day one and eat everything I throw into them. My NP 29 I sold a couple of years ago shot as accurately as my STI Trojan at 1/3 the price. After replacing the recoil spring on my Trojan and the slide stop it now runs as smoothly as the Norinco did.

Take Care

Bob
 
I think that given Wilson's [of 1911 fame] outta the USA swore by Norc 1911's as a good base for custom 1911 work speaks volumes about them.
 
johnone said:
ELMER FUDD;
Now you have me confused, would you mind explaining the statement
"How fast they run out on paper? on their web site? or of guns? They are all different at Marstar you know..."

John
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Hello John !

If you don't mind,i'd want to ask if the prices will be similar as what is currently disclamed on the website please ?

Schneider
 
I was in a gunstore today looking at shotguns, and the guy there told me that under no circumstances should i ever buy a norinco...he said they were junk.

I don't know...considering that their store doesn't stock them, i guess i could see why he'd be trying to sell me on something he has.

I mean, they can't really be that bad, can they?
 
Remember that "Junk" thought when Marstar gets their NP29s in stock would you. More for the rest of us. How old was the guy in the store and has he ever shot a handgun in his life?

Take Care

Bob
 
If all you see is the finish, well they are indeed junk. But once you get one and start shooting it and can compete with much more expensive guns you really start to think again.
 
Canuck44 said:
Remember that "Junk" thought when Marstar gets their NP29s in stock would you. More for the rest of us. How old was the guy in the store and has he ever shot a handgun in his life?

Take Care

Bob
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I would say the guy was in his late 30s - early 40s...he seemed pretty knowledgable.

My guess is he was just trying to sell me something he had.
 
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