700P vs. Savage

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I am looking at buying a .223 to do some long distance shooting. I want the quick twisted barrels. Remington 700P or one of the Savages. The Savage is $300 less, which is not the issue. I want the better quality rifle. Barrel, action, stock, factory bedding, trigger, etc...
Please chime in with opinions, becasue as you know they are like a$$holes, everyones got one. ;)
 
I just bought a Tikka t3. See my review in the hunting and sporting arms forum. I imagine the t3 tactical or varminter would be similar.

I think the ultimate 'reasonably affordable' 223 would be a Savage 10 in an HS stock (I don't care for the MacMillan). Sadly, Savage only puts its 308's in the HS stock.

Get a 10FP in 223 and a 10FP .308 with the HS stock, swap stocks, and hock off the 308 in the EE.
 
If price is not the issue, get the Remington 700P, no question. Better stock and generally a higher quality rifle than the lower end Savages. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the Savage, for the price, they offer outstanding performance, but the only decent stocks they offer are the MacMillan & HS Precision and only then in their top of the line rifles that essentially bring them into line with Remington's Police line. In terms of accessories and re-sale value alone, the Remington offers the better deal. I currently own 4 heavy bbl Remington 700s. Every single one of them is a sub-MOA rifle with factory ammo. Savage makes excellent barrels as well, but Remington does it in a "###ier" package that has better legs! :)
 
maynard said:
How about a Tikka with a 1:8 twist?
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Do you have one for sale?
I have ordered a 8-32 AO Bushnell 4200. I just need a rifle to mount it on now. What do you guys think about the different mounts and rings that are available. Leupold is what I have used on my hunting rigs, and like them.
 
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The Savage will be the less expensive rifle with similar components. The Accutrigger is awesome at 1.5lbs. Not sure what the new lawyer safe trigger groups can be worked down to on a Rem (their old style triggers were superb).

Savage seems to be consistently in the 1/2 MOA range with normal prep and tuning. Rem's QC has been spotty as they have gone into receivership. They may be back on track with their new owners.

There are no shortage of identical stocks for either platform. A very nice alternative is the laminated thumbhole stocks from Boyds.

As for bases, the reg Weavers will do anything you will ever need. For rings, the Burris Sig w/ inserts. You will need to shim the scope for longer shooting. From a 100yd zero, you are going to top out around 600yds. The scope only has 25min of up.

I shoot many Elite 4200 scopes but all have mildot reticles so I have more options for setting up my zero.

This is quickly becoming a Ford vs Chevy debate.

Jerry
 
Curt said:
Do you have one for sale?
I have ordered a 8-32 AO Bushnell 4200. I just need a rifle to mount it on now. What do you guys think about the different mounts and rings that are available. Leupold is what I have used on my hunting rigs, and like them.
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For someone who has rifle cost as no issue, the 4200 is a good scope, but you could do better.
 
Shot this today with my Savage. Loaded some up quick, last 2 groups I shot. No load development at all.

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Jerry is absolutely right... it is a question of what feels good and how much bang you get for your buck. I think there won't be much - if any - measurable diffeence between factory rifles of similar 'standing'. I guarantee it won't be your last rifle anyway, so jump in and get shooting.
 
mysticplayer said:
Savage seems to be consistently in the 1/2 MOA range with normal prep and tuning. Rem's QC has been spotty as they have gone into receivership. They may be back on track with their new owners.

Jerry
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Jerry,

Do you have a souce for you info on Remington going into receivership? I know that they did have some debt but hadn't heard tell of them going into receivership. As I understand it, the new owners assumed that debt as part of the purchase price. You are right in saying that the company has new owners. Remington Arms was purchased by Cerberus Capital Management this past spring.
 
I'm so pissed off with the recent price hikes in gun prices I don't know if I'll buy another new +$1,000 Remington heavy barrel rifle that'll need "tweaking" out of the box. Oddly enough, while the Remingtons have gone up a lot in price over the last few years the Savage price increase has been proportionately less.

In any event, I've had Savages and have never been overwhelmed with them but I'd buy another. I've never owned a Tikka before and I'm thinking if it were me, I'd go that route just to try something different. Tikka's have by reputation very smooth actions as mentioned above. The 1/8" twist barrel is just the icing on the cake for me.
 
The only problem with Savage is the Stocks. If your planning on keeping the original stock get a 700 you want to get a new stock go for a savage.
here is a pic of my savage.
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KDX said:
For someone who has rifle cost as no issue, the 4200 is a good scope, but you could do better.
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I did not say that rifle cost is no issue, but I did say that the difference between the price of the remington and savage was not an issue.
I have got a Savage coming in a few days. I guess I will see how I like it.
 
belkrem said:
The only problem with Savage is the Stocks. If your planning on keeping the original stock get a 700 you want to get a new stock go for a savage.
here is a pic of my savage.
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Belkrem,

That's a sweet looking Savage! I've always been a sucker for gray laminate, who made yours? Nice scope choice as well!
 
Do your research on CGN - I have a thread from May-August where I discussed going through 3 different 700P in .223 - each had severe problems with primer cratering out of the box. Unless you get a rifle that doesn't have this problem, you will be severely disappointed. I ended up with a Tikka.

Eric
 
toomanyhobbies said:
Do your research on CGN - I have a thread from May-August where I discussed going through 3 different 700P in .223 - each had severe problems with primer cratering out of the box. Unless you get a rifle that doesn't have this problem, you will be severely disappointed. I ended up with a Tikka.

Eric
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Hmm, I've had the same problem with a Remington I bought. They fixed it on Warantee, but it did take 4 months
 
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