Grey area firearms, and the law

It breaks my heart, but I'm not taking my stag hunting this year, even though it would be legal to do so. I sold other guns to buy the stag as a do-it-all hunting rifle and now I'm afraid to be caught using it to fill my freezer.
I wont be using my shotguns with threaded choke either. Call me names, but I'm young and have a baby coming. I'm not spending my first born's childhood fighting gun charges. I'm fortunate enough to have hunting rifles from my father and maternal grandfather. I bought the Stag to preserve those guns.
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The stag is on the list.
 
Northern Shooter said:
The stag is on the list.
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If you plan on hunting with it to feed your family you're good to go for at least 2 years.

As for the OP's cop friends, they need to go back to Regina and retake the program. These are the types of cops that pull you over for "looking at them".

BTW, in Canada there is no grey area, just black and white.
 
AFisher said:
Pertainent to police overreach. Anyone know what's happening with his case and if he needs funding.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...kRTwXGhWEdIRxQnjhbHG2XWKH1BTnfmnQ0vjgpaL9UPO8
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Exactly, I would donate to fund this case if necessary.

Perhaps we should set up a go fund me to bankrupt these incompetent LEOs: Terrence Wray, Dennis Doyle, Stephen Gibbons, Stephen McGran, Jeffrey MacDuff, Michael Ramsay, Jason McIntyre, Lesley Zimmer, Bryan Smith, Neil Thornton, Paul Scudds, Roderick MacLean, Ron Clifford, Darryl Linquist, Michael Press and Oliver Febbo.
 
Northern Shooter said:
The stag is on the list.
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Any firearm which is now prohibited by the OIC may be used for sustenance hunting. If your intentions are to collect food for yourself or family, that's sustenance. It may also be used for hunting by native persons under section 35 (constitution act, 1982).

While I can legally buy a bear tag and go out this weekend, stag10 slung over my shoulder, I'm not interested in gambling my happiness on it. I'd be better suited to sell my worldly possessions and donate that money to any CCFR, CSSA, NFA legal battle than start a legal battle of my own.

I'd love to fight that fight, I have CCFR legal insurance for such fights, but that fight would probably ruin my life and that of the family I want to feed.
 
"Also remind them of the SIU and the consequences of arresting someone based on an officers ignorance of the law"

In my work SIU stands for Special Investigations Unit. Does it mean something different here?
 
BullOnParade said:
Any firearm which is now prohibited by the OIC may be used for sustenance hunting. If your intentions are to collect food for yourself or family, that's sustenance. It may also be used for hunting by native persons under section 35 (constitution act, 1982).

While I can legally buy a bear tag and go out this weekend, stag10 slung over my shoulder, I'm not interested in gambling my happiness on it. I'd be better suited to sell my worldly possessions and donate that money to any CCFR, CSSA, NFA legal battle than start a legal battle of my own.

I'd love to fight that fight, I have CCFR legal insurance for such fights, but that fight would probably ruin my life and that of the family I want to feed.
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That's your right. But it's also while they're winning FYI.
 
AFisher said:
Your friends need to be removed from policing if they don't understand the FRT . Also remind them of the SIU and the consequences of arresting someone based on an officers ignorance of the law. Ask them how they will pay for a lawsuit when sued in civil court.


Ignornace is not an excuse for breaking the law. Ignorance is also not an excuse for a police officer misinterpreting the law. Your friends need to have their asses kicked in court for being so ignorant to the law.
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What does the SIU have to do with this? I mean, one of the most incompetent agencies in Ontario, but that’s a whole other conversation.
 
BullOnParade said:
It breaks my heart, but I'm not taking my stag hunting this year, even though it would be legal to do so. I sold other guns to buy the stag as a do-it-all hunting rifle and now I'm afraid to be caught using it to fill my freezer.
I wont be using my shotguns with threaded choke either. Call me names, but I'm young and have a baby coming. I'm not spending my first born's childhood fighting gun charges. I'm fortunate enough to have hunting rifles from my father and maternal grandfather. I bought the Stag to preserve those guns.
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I don’t fault you at all, and this is exactly what the liberals sh#tty wording in the OIC was trying to achieve in my opinion, which is obfuscate the wording to such an extent as to introduce doubt of if you were in accordance with the law or not. The result being you would avoid using your potentially prohibited firearms.
 
JIP911 said:
So I have a few leo buddies and asked them how they would treat a guy out shooting one of these NR firearms that escaped the list. You know the ones I'm talking about and 2 of 3 said they would believe them to be a variant and follow the OIC. Things got pretty heated in our conversation but they held their ground and said same BCG, mag, barrel, stock, trigger etc etc hard to argue they are not from the same family and they would let the courts sort it out...
Is anyone willing to fess up to asking for an official response from the RCMP/local Leo or is everyone fearful that they don't want to draw attention to these even though the RCMP clearly know they exist?

J
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I guess they are not your buddies are they. I know how the local LEO's i know will handle it and its not the same. Pick your friends wisely.
 
JIP911 said:
So I have a few leo buddies and asked them how they would treat a guy out shooting one of these NR firearms that escaped the list. You know the ones I'm talking about and 2 of 3 said they would believe them to be a variant and follow the OIC. Things got pretty heated in our conversation but they held their ground and said same BCG, mag, barrel, stock, trigger etc etc hard to argue they are not from the same family and they would let the courts sort it out...
Is anyone willing to fess up to asking for an official response from the RCMP/local Leo or is everyone fearful that they don't want to draw attention to these even though the RCMP clearly know they exist?

J
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Your buddies are ignorant to the situation because the FRT doesn’t refer them to as a variant regardless of the triggers, furniture or anything else because this is how they managed to remain NR. Did you ask them that?

It discusses me how they would “let the courts” settle it. No wonder people are losing faith in the LEOs.
 
Recently had this same discussion. Seems some agencies are already preparing because the answer I got was "if unsure if the rifle is in the OIC, arrest, charge, let court decide".
I don't think the officer came up with that on his own. Too quick.
 
So these idiots want to tie up our courts based on their opinion? Get new friends and tell them to get new jobs.
 
LARGE number of Police officers are not gun folk or understand firearms.

Just remember that when you are speaking to them.
 
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lefty said:
Recently had this same discussion. Seems some agencies are already preparing because the answer I got was "if unsure if the rifle is in the OIC, arrest, charge, let court decide".
I don't think the officer came up with that on his own. Too quick.
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Years ago before I retired, I worked with a federal law enforcement agency frequently. Over coffee on a number of occasions I heard the phrase "punishment through process". Regardless of the outcome, the person charged pays through the nose by having to employ a lawyer.
 
Regardless of what the FRT says (I hope I'm wrong) I think it is possible that a judge could over rule the FRT and decide that a firearm that shares most of it's operating parts with a prohibited one is a variant.
 
A friend once asked a CO what his action would be if he encountered a hunter with a M 1 carbine. He said as it was restricted he would confiscate and charge the hunter and let the courts sort it out. He would not make any determination of barrel length even if the hunter pointed out that it had a legal barrel.
 
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